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Tell me something. If you took all the apps and app developers from the IOS App Store and traded them for all that WebOS, BlackBerry, Or windows 8 has... How wo

Tell me something. If you took all the apps and app developers from the IOS App Store and traded them for all that WebOS, BlackBerry, Or windows 8 has... How would sales change in the next year??? Throw in Apple's marketing crew to trade as well. Isn't that an interesting notion? Is suggestion that these are "bad smartphones" coming from their lack of sales? This is a false dichotomy. If not - please provide data that suggests otherwise (rather than your own heavily influenced personal opinion either). It is not the phones or OS that makes IOS outsell the other companies mentioned - It is the apps and the marketing.

paranoiacblack 14y ago
I agree with this as well by the way. But you can't throw in an "interesting notion" theoretical to solve this problem. What Apple and Android devices have is not only a developer ecosystem and a better application suite, along with good marketing. They have a dedicated userbase. They have both convinced users in their quality by staying on the edge of technology and strongly competing. My argument is that these smartphones are 'bad' in the same way that IE is a 'bad' browser in the eyes of most users in comparison to Chrome, Firefox, Opera, and Safari. However, I can't just assume that IF IE had the apps and app developers as the Chrome and FF that everything would change. There's something to be said about context, reputation, and history. However, I'll concede that calling thse smartphones 'bad' is ambiguous and seems to imply a false dichotomy. The point was that it is kind of ridiculous to point to products with a bad reputation for developers or users (regardless of the reality of their quality) as a shining example of how Samsung didn't have to copy Apple. I agree that they didn't, but those aren't good examples.
shinratdr 14y ago
> It is not the phones or OS that makes IOS outsell the other companies mentioned - It is the apps and the marketing. So nobody buys an iPhone because of how responsive iOS is or how well the iPhone is designed? Give me a break. Also, it's "iOS". IOS is the Cisco router OS.
- recoiledsnake 14y ago
  By that metric, OS X and Linux are bad operating systems because they don't sell/run anywhere as much as Windows does. Windows must be superior in every way because it sells more, the other OSes are just bad?
  - shinratdr 14y ago
    > By that metric, OS X and Linux are bad operating systems because they don't sell/run anywhere as much as Windows does. How is that my metric? I said it's ludicrous to assume nobody buys an iPhone because of the design or the OS, it's always because of the apps. I never said word one about number of units sold, I have no idea what you're talking about right now.

paranoiacblack 14y ago

I agree with this as well by the way. But you can't throw in an "interesting notion" theoretical to solve this problem. What Apple and Android devices have is not only a developer ecosystem and a better application suite, along with good marketing. They have a dedicated userbase. They have both convinced users in their quality by staying on the edge of technology and strongly competing. My argument is that these smartphones are 'bad' in the same way that IE is a 'bad' browser in the eyes of most users in comparison to Chrome, Firefox, Opera, and Safari. However, I can't just assume that IF IE had the apps and app developers as the Chrome and FF that everything would change. There's something to be said about context, reputation, and history. However, I'll concede that calling thse smartphones 'bad' is ambiguous and seems to imply a false dichotomy. The point was that it is kind of ridiculous to point to products with a bad reputation for developers or users (regardless of the reality of their quality) as a shining example of how Samsung didn't have to copy Apple. I agree that they didn't, but those aren't good examples.

shinratdr 14y ago

> It is not the phones or OS that makes IOS outsell the other companies mentioned - It is the apps and the marketing. So nobody buys an iPhone because of how responsive iOS is or how well the iPhone is designed? Give me a break. Also, it's "iOS". IOS is the Cisco router OS.

recoiledsnake 14y ago
By that metric, OS X and Linux are bad operating systems because they don't sell/run anywhere as much as Windows does. Windows must be superior in every way because it sells more, the other OSes are just bad?
- shinratdr 14y ago
  > By that metric, OS X and Linux are bad operating systems because they don't sell/run anywhere as much as Windows does. How is that my metric? I said it's ludicrous to assume nobody buys an iPhone because of the design or the OS, it's always because of the apps. I never said word one about number of units sold, I have no idea what you're talking about right now.