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Do you think the police understand this nuance? Especially since most of the traffic that will go through there is probably copyright infringement? They'll ju

Do you think the police understand this nuance? Especially since most of the traffic that will go through there is probably copyright infringement? They'll just see tracker and assume it's illegal.

hungryhobbit 1y ago
Do you think the police are actually policing the internet? Even if you didn't mean your local police, and meant a national body like the FBI, the truth is they focus on other crimes (eg. child abuse), and even then they are woefully unable to handle even most of those crimes. The vast, vast majority of copyright enforcement comes from copyright holders ... not the internet copyright police.
- jedberg 1y ago
  Of course not. But first a copyright holder tells the police, and then the police enforce it. The police rarely find crimes on their own -- they are almost always acting on a request from someone else.
  - swat535 1y ago
    Nitpick but police follow the courts, not the copyright holders.
SXX 1y ago
> Especially since most of the traffic that will go through there is probably copyright infringement? Copyright infinging materials dont go "though" trackers. Trackers only keep torrent hashes and lists of peers.
- jeroenhd 1y ago
  So do torrent websites like the pirate bay. That doesn't protect pirates from getting sued to hell and back or even receiving prison sentences from the court.
  - dahrkael 1y ago
    I would argue the pirate bay was an index apart from a tracker, and indexes is what gets you in trouble mostly
  - geon 1y ago
    Torrent sites also keep metadata. Often detailed, telling exactly what media is getting its copyright infringed.
- jedberg 1y ago
  I'm well aware of how trackers and torrents work. But again, do you think law enforcement understands the nuance of that? Also the government and private companies have argued in the past that the hashes and lists of peers is inducement and enablement for copyright infringement.
Qwertious 1y ago
Tell them it's for training a corporate AI model, then.
- bmacho 1y ago
  It's okay to watch pirated movies if you sell fanart based on them later
vintermann 1y ago
Traffic doesn't "go through there", that's the whole point of P2P. All a tracker does is let people find each other.
- jedberg 1y ago
  Traffic still goes through it. A seeder attaches and says "I am here and have these hashes". The a leecher connects and says "who has these hashes". So yes, data "goes through it". Do you think law enforcement understands the nuance of metadata vs actual data?

Do you think the police understand this nuance? Especially since most of the traffic that will go through there is probably copyright infringement? They'll just see tracker and assume it's illegal.

hungryhobbit 1y ago

Do you think the police are actually policing the internet? Even if you didn't mean your local police, and meant a national body like the FBI, the truth is they focus on other crimes (eg. child abuse), and even then they are woefully unable to handle even most of those crimes. The vast, vast majority of copyright enforcement comes from copyright holders ... not the internet copyright police.

jedberg 1y ago
Of course not. But first a copyright holder tells the police, and then the police enforce it. The police rarely find crimes on their own -- they are almost always acting on a request from someone else.
- swat535 1y ago
  Nitpick but police follow the courts, not the copyright holders.

SXX 1y ago

> Especially since most of the traffic that will go through there is probably copyright infringement? Copyright infinging materials dont go "though" trackers. Trackers only keep torrent hashes and lists of peers.

jeroenhd 1y ago
So do torrent websites like the pirate bay. That doesn't protect pirates from getting sued to hell and back or even receiving prison sentences from the court.
- dahrkael 1y ago
  I would argue the pirate bay was an index apart from a tracker, and indexes is what gets you in trouble mostly
- geon 1y ago
  Torrent sites also keep metadata. Often detailed, telling exactly what media is getting its copyright infringed.
jedberg 1y ago
I'm well aware of how trackers and torrents work. But again, do you think law enforcement understands the nuance of that? Also the government and private companies have argued in the past that the hashes and lists of peers is inducement and enablement for copyright infringement.

Qwertious 1y ago

Tell them it's for training a corporate AI model, then.

bmacho 1y ago
It's okay to watch pirated movies if you sell fanart based on them later

vintermann 1y ago

Traffic doesn't "go through there", that's the whole point of P2P. All a tracker does is let people find each other.

jedberg 1y ago
Traffic still goes through it. A seeder attaches and says "I am here and have these hashes". The a leecher connects and says "who has these hashes". So yes, data "goes through it". Do you think law enforcement understands the nuance of metadata vs actual data?