I don't know. I still use telnet for things, but I can use nc in a pinch. I would be more inclined to wish for expect. What I don't get is all the SSL kids nev

I don't know. I still use telnet for things, but I can use nc in a pinch. I would be more inclined to wish for expect. What I don't get is all the SSL kids never mention s_client, as in "...use s_client instead". Granted, most of the time ssl will work for, you know SSH (port 22). Are you really going to negotiate the cypher by hand, mate? I get it, how many of them can identify what "\x16\x03\x01" is?