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that might be the case for individuals but not corporations and organizations that also have the most hardware. i know from personal experience that windows 11
by akimbostrawman 1y ago
that might be the case for individuals but not corporations and organizations that also have the most hardware. i know from personal experience that windows 11 hardware requirements e-wasted tens of thousands of mostly perfectly fine computer and that is just a single medium sized organization. counting that up to even just one country is an enormous amount of waste. not to mention all the wasted money better spend elsewhere even your taxes will inevitable be wasted on this.
- frollogaston 1y agoBut that's for tens of thousands of employees, who presumably don't have other jobs. And how long ago were those PCs produced?
- akimbostrawman 1y agoyes but all those people also have devices at home. most of it around 5 years but that is hardly how long the hardware actually is usable especially if you use anything other than the bloated behemoth that windows has become. reminder that you can get a 10 year old pc with an SSD and any linux disto that will perform as good or even better for most basic office work than modern windows 11 on modern hardware....
- frollogaston 1y agoLike I said, the devices at home are tiny. Sum up everything if you want, home + work + idk a second job, it's very little.
- akimbostrawman 1y agoif you think a single medium sized organization killing 5 digit amount of perfectly usable hardware (these are average sized ~3kg desktop pcs) simply because of software is very little there is no argument that could convince you. try counting that up in your head only for your city (the whole world runs windows!) to decide if that is still "very little".
- frollogaston 1y agoThe numbers are only meaningful per person. If you want to multiply by 10K, you have to multiply their other waste too for comparison. Also I said laptop+phone originally, not desktop, in part because not very many people have desktops.
- akimbostrawman 1y agoyour arbitrary way to count will not change the actual amount of e-waste but it might make you feel better. you should be hired for corpo green washing.
- frollogaston 1y agoSign me up, I'll just need a new Dell PowerEdge each year for Excel
- theoreticalmal 1y agoWhy didn’t the companies do the workaround for the hardware requirements?
- numpad0 1y agoBecause they don't make money working around arbitrary limitations. It might save a bit, but don't make a lot.
- akimbostrawman 1y agobecause you not gonna do willy-nilly unsupported things on that scale or do you wanna be the one to explain why you are cutting corners to the CEO when there are issues?
- nine_k 1y agoThis is another reason to run Linux instead of Windows. (Sadly, much easier said than done in large orgs.) These perfectly good machines will likely be sold off eBay or similar, and / or go in bulk to poorer countries somewhere in Asia, where they are going to replace yet more ancient machines.
- akimbostrawman 1y agomost of these will sadly go into the trash since donating them would cost more money than they are worth.
- orev 1y agoCan an organization that has “tens of thousands” of computers running Windows really be considered “medium sized”?
- Ekaros 1y agoNo. I think around 250 employees is in many locations considered large company. And above 500 or 1000 would certainly be such. So anyone with thousands such devices outside refresh cycle is certainly not medium sized.
- akimbostrawman 1y agogoogle and similar corporations have well above 100 000 employees. calling 10 000 medium is perfectly accurate on that scale.
- Clamchop 1y agoThere are tremendous outliers here, although this feels like a good occasion to bring up the class size paradox: The vast majority of corps are small, but since so many people work for the extremely large ones, it may seem like they tend to be on the large side.
- frollogaston 1y agoIf you're asking how many people work in some large corp, I don't see a paradox. The corp size also doesn't matter here. There's 1 thrown away Win10 PC per employee whether it's a 100K employee company or 10 employees.
- kyriakos 1y agoCorporations have a 2 to 3 year hardware refresh cycles, they throw away or donate PCs every cycle with or without Windows cut off.