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HELLO Linux Desktops, this is your chance to shine and glow. Stop the stupid infighting on unimportant issues and unite to offer something that is a no-brainer

HELLO Linux Desktops, this is your chance to shine and glow. Stop the stupid infighting on unimportant issues and unite to offer something that is a no-brainer choice for Windows 10 refugees.

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msgodel 1y ago
Why is this a problem exactly? Pick the OS who's leadership/choices you like and run it. No one has to agree on most of the low level stuff as that's abstracted away or even part of the kernel where there's few changes between distros.
- riobard 1y ago
  That mentality gets us fragmentation of Linux DE for the past few decades with none winning majority mindshare and no commitment from major commercial developers. Sure with a capable browser most use cases can be covered but then there will not be a Year of Linux DE. It would be a Year of Chromium-based Browsers where DE is mostly irrelevant. Those abstracted away details matter a lot if you care about user experience. Just watch how painfully a task both Apple and Microsoft are enduring to try to improve their consumer OS.
  - msgodel 1y ago
    Who cares? Run the DE you like. I don't want to be forced to run the one you like since, quite frankly, being someone new to this you're going to have awful opinions about how it should work. If you sat down in front of my computer you probably wouldn't even know how to move the windows around. And that's fine. We don't need to be running the same software as long as everything actually works.
    - riobard 1y ago
      Well since you don’t care about Linux DE adoption, we’re not going to have any meaningful discussion. Enjoy your DE however you like it :)
  - const_cast 1y ago
    I don't think the fragmentation is a problem or even "solvable". The reason Windows doesn't have fragmentation is because it's a closed-source operating system with internet enabled functionality that is centrally controlled by Microsoft with an iron fist. That's just fundamentally incompatible with Linux on desktops. Who's going to take charge and make decisions? And, how will they enforce? Will they make their desktop closed-source and take you to court if you try to fork it? That doesn't sound very pleasant. People are gonna fork and do their own thing because that's what makes Linux Linux.
    - riobard 1y ago
      > The reason Windows doesn't have fragmentation is because it's a closed-source operating system with internet enabled functionality that is centrally controlled by Microsoft with an iron fist. Sure, being closed-source prevents fragmentation from the start coz there's nothing to fork from, but it's not a requisite. There are many open source projects with less degree of fragmentation with major marketshare winners that the ecosystem can target for, and you can mostly recommend people to use without too much thinking, e.g. browsers and web servers.
      - const_cast 1y ago
        Open source web browsers aren't fragmented? Really? There's dozens of forks of Chromium. They're so prolific that everyone is advocating a different one. Opera is better, no wait brave is better, no actually arc is the best. But no wait, edge is pretty good.
        riobard 1y ago
        There's a difference between binary is/isn't fragmented and degree of fragmentation. The browser market is obviously not very fragmented with Chrome taking the majority of the market share, and top 3 choices together account for almost 90% of total market. However you like/dislike any of the popular choices, the point is that other players in the ecosystem can mostly target the top choices and be reasonably sure that they cover the vast majority of user bases, so that upper layers could flourish. Except for Edge being the default on Windows, sane companies wouldn't care about minor players like Opera/Brave/Arc. (You could also argue the degree of open source in these cases but that would be a different issue.)

HELLO Linux Desktops, this is your chance to shine and glow. Stop the stupid infighting on unimportant issues and unite to offer something that is a no-brainer choice for Windows 10 refugees.

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msgodel 1y ago

Why is this a problem exactly? Pick the OS who's leadership/choices you like and run it. No one has to agree on most of the low level stuff as that's abstracted away or even part of the kernel where there's few changes between distros.

riobard 1y ago
That mentality gets us fragmentation of Linux DE for the past few decades with none winning majority mindshare and no commitment from major commercial developers. Sure with a capable browser most use cases can be covered but then there will not be a Year of Linux DE. It would be a Year of Chromium-based Browsers where DE is mostly irrelevant. Those abstracted away details matter a lot if you care about user experience. Just watch how painfully a task both Apple and Microsoft are enduring to try to improve their consumer OS.
- msgodel 1y ago
  Who cares? Run the DE you like. I don't want to be forced to run the one you like since, quite frankly, being someone new to this you're going to have awful opinions about how it should work. If you sat down in front of my computer you probably wouldn't even know how to move the windows around. And that's fine. We don't need to be running the same software as long as everything actually works.
  - riobard 1y ago
    Well since you don’t care about Linux DE adoption, we’re not going to have any meaningful discussion. Enjoy your DE however you like it :)
- const_cast 1y ago
  I don't think the fragmentation is a problem or even "solvable". The reason Windows doesn't have fragmentation is because it's a closed-source operating system with internet enabled functionality that is centrally controlled by Microsoft with an iron fist. That's just fundamentally incompatible with Linux on desktops. Who's going to take charge and make decisions? And, how will they enforce? Will they make their desktop closed-source and take you to court if you try to fork it? That doesn't sound very pleasant. People are gonna fork and do their own thing because that's what makes Linux Linux.
  - riobard 1y ago
    > The reason Windows doesn't have fragmentation is because it's a closed-source operating system with internet enabled functionality that is centrally controlled by Microsoft with an iron fist. Sure, being closed-source prevents fragmentation from the start coz there's nothing to fork from, but it's not a requisite. There are many open source projects with less degree of fragmentation with major marketshare winners that the ecosystem can target for, and you can mostly recommend people to use without too much thinking, e.g. browsers and web servers.
    - const_cast 1y ago
      Open source web browsers aren't fragmented? Really? There's dozens of forks of Chromium. They're so prolific that everyone is advocating a different one. Opera is better, no wait brave is better, no actually arc is the best. But no wait, edge is pretty good.
      - riobard 1y ago
        There's a difference between binary is/isn't fragmented and degree of fragmentation. The browser market is obviously not very fragmented with Chrome taking the majority of the market share, and top 3 choices together account for almost 90% of total market. However you like/dislike any of the popular choices, the point is that other players in the ecosystem can mostly target the top choices and be reasonably sure that they cover the vast majority of user bases, so that upper layers could flourish. Except for Edge being the default on Windows, sane companies wouldn't care about minor players like Opera/Brave/Arc. (You could also argue the degree of open source in these cases but that would be a different issue.)