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It is insane that federal agents are allowed to roam around in masks, without ID and just arrest people.

potato3732842 1y ago
Any agent of the state. If I were King(TM) it wouldn't even be possible to call in an anonymous tip to the most mundane of local government offices. Sure a few people would get some retribution initially but eventually it'd result in better alignment between the interests of the state and people. Anything not worth doing fully above the table isn't worth doing.
jkestner 1y ago
Even more insane that the lack of accountability means that common criminals and vigilantes pose as federal agents to kidnap or rob people. https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/04/us/ice-impersonators-on-the-rise-arrests-made-as-authorities-issue-national-warning https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/04/us/ice-impersonators-on-the-r...
- lawn 1y ago
  Or, you know, murder people.
  - jkestner 1y ago
    I suppose it’s a feature. We don’t care if someone else gets you, as long as you’re scared and compliant.
mindslight 1y ago
It's also insane that state governors haven't deployed their national guards to keep the peace against these lawless masked kidnap gangs [0]. Arrest them with guns drawn like any other violent criminals in the act, and keep them in jail until state judges can review the details of their situation. This applies more to other kidnappings and less here, because this happened in a fascist-controlled building. But the point is we need to start drawing these types of hard dividing lines based on state authority following the law in good faith, rather than deferring to an autocratic federal executive that increasingly interprets it in bad faith. [0] sorry fascism-cheerleaders - without uniforms, legal documentation of their authority, accountability to bystanders, and duly-issued arrest warrants, this is what they are.
incomingpain 1y ago
They arent. They need probable cause to arrest just like any other law enforcement. If they just arrest you because you're annoying or fake charges. You can sue them for deprivation of rights.
- stingrae 1y ago
  They are, it could be that the vast majority are acting in good faith, but the videos show a very different story. There is also no statement from ICE renouncing bad behavior from their agents. Also, you are going to have a hard time suing if you are an El Salvadorian prison.
- atmavatar 1y ago
  Of course, all that assumes the detainee is given due process. If they're just going to kidnap people and take them away to El Salvadorian prisons, things like probable cause, miranda rights, and evidence are moot.
  - anon291 1y ago
    Except that is not what is happening. Usually, if you're arrested in the process of them trying to simply make space to carry out their official business, you just get removed and released. That is what is happening here. Contrary to various claims that citizens are being 'deported' en masse. Fewer than 70 out of millions of deportations last year were US citizens. These were either mistakes or had good reasons (such as minor citizen children).
  - incomingpain 1y ago
    >Of course, all that assumes the detainee is given due process. Well I got downvoted and everyone like you seem to think due process has been suspended. Literally before I posted the guy had been released. ""I am just fine, I lost a button, but I'm going to sleep in my bed tonight.""
    - computerthings 1y ago
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- chneu 1y ago
  Immigrants commit less crime than citizens Immigrants actually contribute to GDP because they often work but don't pay taxes. Your food is affordable because of that cheap labor, which farmers are now having trouble finding. Quit repeating tired racist rhetoric.
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sQL_inject 1y ago
As a legal immigrant who waited years to get my citizenship let's adjust some words here: "It's insane illegal immigrants are allowed to roam around without ID and commit theft by subsisting on the programs legal immigrants pay for."
- busyant 1y ago
  The two "insanities" are not mutually exclusive. In fact, I agree with you that illegal immigrants abuse the system and unfairly consume resources. I also agree with the parent comment that people acting as a police force (i.e., ICE) should carry and present ID.
- FireBeyond 1y ago
  As a legal immigrant who waited years to get my citizenship lets point out that most of those immigrants actually pay for the same programs too, though not always "in their name". Undocumented immigrants still pay tax and deductions on their paychecks, too.
fzeroracer 1y ago
The speed with which other Americans went from 'we need guns to protect ourselves from the feds trampling over our rights' to 'federal agents bagging someone with zero identification or justification is OK actually' really does go to show how much of that was bluster. It's obvious to me that if federal agents weren't concerned with backlash for obviously illegal actions they would properly present themselves.
- metalcrow 1y ago
  The true reason for this is that there are two (basically) groups of people in the US. The group that is pro gun might be opposed to this, but are not going to directly use weapons to defend themselves unless targeted. And they are not being targeted in this situation, so we don't see that coming into play.
  - FireBeyond 1y ago
    100% - one recent comment by Kevin Sorbo sadly nails it: > “Is your freedom more important than my safety?!” > I don’t know you, my lunch is more important to me than you are.
immibis 1y ago
There's no evidence they were federal agents. Personally, I think they were Tren de Aragua.

Any agent of the state. If I were King(TM) it wouldn't even be possible to call in an anonymous tip to the most mundane of local government offices. Sure a few people would get some retribution initially but eventually it'd result in better alignment between the interests of the state and people. Anything not worth doing fully above the table isn't worth doing.

jkestner 1y ago

Even more insane that the lack of accountability means that common criminals and vigilantes pose as federal agents to kidnap or rob people. https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/04/us/ice-impersonators-on-the-rise-arrests-made-as-authorities-issue-national-warning https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/04/us/ice-impersonators-on-the-r...

lawn 1y ago
Or, you know, murder people.
- jkestner 1y ago
  I suppose it’s a feature. We don’t care if someone else gets you, as long as you’re scared and compliant.

mindslight 1y ago

It's also insane that state governors haven't deployed their national guards to keep the peace against these lawless masked kidnap gangs [0]. Arrest them with guns drawn like any other violent criminals in the act, and keep them in jail until state judges can review the details of their situation. This applies more to other kidnappings and less here, because this happened in a fascist-controlled building. But the point is we need to start drawing these types of hard dividing lines based on state authority following the law in good faith, rather than deferring to an autocratic federal executive that increasingly interprets it in bad faith. [0] sorry fascism-cheerleaders - without uniforms, legal documentation of their authority, accountability to bystanders, and duly-issued arrest warrants, this is what they are.

incomingpain 1y ago

They arent. They need probable cause to arrest just like any other law enforcement. If they just arrest you because you're annoying or fake charges. You can sue them for deprivation of rights.

stingrae 1y ago
They are, it could be that the vast majority are acting in good faith, but the videos show a very different story. There is also no statement from ICE renouncing bad behavior from their agents. Also, you are going to have a hard time suing if you are an El Salvadorian prison.
atmavatar 1y ago
Of course, all that assumes the detainee is given due process. If they're just going to kidnap people and take them away to El Salvadorian prisons, things like probable cause, miranda rights, and evidence are moot.
- anon291 1y ago
  Except that is not what is happening. Usually, if you're arrested in the process of them trying to simply make space to carry out their official business, you just get removed and released. That is what is happening here. Contrary to various claims that citizens are being 'deported' en masse. Fewer than 70 out of millions of deportations last year were US citizens. These were either mistakes or had good reasons (such as minor citizen children).
- incomingpain 1y ago
  >Of course, all that assumes the detainee is given due process. Well I got downvoted and everyone like you seem to think due process has been suspended. Literally before I posted the guy had been released. ""I am just fine, I lost a button, but I'm going to sleep in my bed tonight.""
  - computerthings 1y ago
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chneu 1y ago
Immigrants commit less crime than citizens Immigrants actually contribute to GDP because they often work but don't pay taxes. Your food is affordable because of that cheap labor, which farmers are now having trouble finding. Quit repeating tired racist rhetoric.
- bufferoverflow 1y ago
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sQL_inject 1y ago

As a legal immigrant who waited years to get my citizenship let's adjust some words here: "It's insane illegal immigrants are allowed to roam around without ID and commit theft by subsisting on the programs legal immigrants pay for."

busyant 1y ago
The two "insanities" are not mutually exclusive. In fact, I agree with you that illegal immigrants abuse the system and unfairly consume resources. I also agree with the parent comment that people acting as a police force (i.e., ICE) should carry and present ID.
FireBeyond 1y ago
As a legal immigrant who waited years to get my citizenship lets point out that most of those immigrants actually pay for the same programs too, though not always "in their name". Undocumented immigrants still pay tax and deductions on their paychecks, too.

fzeroracer 1y ago

The speed with which other Americans went from 'we need guns to protect ourselves from the feds trampling over our rights' to 'federal agents bagging someone with zero identification or justification is OK actually' really does go to show how much of that was bluster. It's obvious to me that if federal agents weren't concerned with backlash for obviously illegal actions they would properly present themselves.

metalcrow 1y ago
The true reason for this is that there are two (basically) groups of people in the US. The group that is pro gun might be opposed to this, but are not going to directly use weapons to defend themselves unless targeted. And they are not being targeted in this situation, so we don't see that coming into play.
- FireBeyond 1y ago
  100% - one recent comment by Kevin Sorbo sadly nails it: > “Is your freedom more important than my safety?!” > I don’t know you, my lunch is more important to me than you are.

immibis 1y ago

There's no evidence they were federal agents. Personally, I think they were Tren de Aragua.