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> So Microsoft decided to produce tons of e-waste for no obvious reason. There's a lot of capable hardware out there, and it would be of software company's inte

> So Microsoft decided to produce tons of e-waste for no obvious reason. There's a lot of capable hardware out there, and it would be of software company's interest to support as much hardware as possible. The author then goes on to describe how he's just purchased 3 new Windows 11 licences... (indirectly via new computers)

jamespo 1y ago
including a high end workstation even though his old machine could upgrade to win 11 just fine
frollogaston 1y ago
I'm still not convinced that phone and laptop ewaste is a real problem. They're tiny. I've never actually thrown one away, they're just sitting around, taking less combined space than a nightstand drawer.
- tommica 1y ago
  It will be waste latest when you die
  - frollogaston 1y ago
    Yeah so when I die, there will be one small trash bag containing my entire life's phones and laptops. It could fit inside the coffin with me if it's such a problem. It's basically nothing compared to my general waste.
- akimbostrawman 1y ago
  that might be the case for individuals but not corporations and organizations that also have the most hardware. i know from personal experience that windows 11 hardware requirements e-wasted tens of thousands of mostly perfectly fine computer and that is just a single medium sized organization. counting that up to even just one country is an enormous amount of waste. not to mention all the wasted money better spend elsewhere even your taxes will inevitable be wasted on this.
  - frollogaston 1y ago
    But that's for tens of thousands of employees, who presumably don't have other jobs. And how long ago were those PCs produced?
    - akimbostrawman 1y ago
      yes but all those people also have devices at home. most of it around 5 years but that is hardly how long the hardware actually is usable especially if you use anything other than the bloated behemoth that windows has become. reminder that you can get a 10 year old pc with an SSD and any linux disto that will perform as good or even better for most basic office work than modern windows 11 on modern hardware....
      - frollogaston 1y ago
        Like I said, the devices at home are tiny. Sum up everything if you want, home + work + idk a second job, it's very little.
        akimbostrawman 1y ago
        if you think a single medium sized organization killing 5 digit amount of perfectly usable hardware (these are average sized ~3kg desktop pcs) simply because of software is very little there is no argument that could convince you. try counting that up in your head only for your city (the whole world runs windows!) to decide if that is still "very little".
        frollogaston 1y ago
        The numbers are only meaningful per person. If you want to multiply by 10K, you have to multiply their other waste too for comparison. Also I said laptop+phone originally, not desktop, in part because not very many people have desktops.
        1y ago
- endemic 1y ago
  > I'm still not convinced that phone and laptop ewaste is a real problem. I don't throw away phones or computers myself either, but a cursory Googling should be informative. From what I understand, it's a lot of "out of sight, out of mind" in wealthy countries.
  - frollogaston 1y ago
    Supposedly an average American throws away 1800lb per year, 46lb of which is ewaste, but that includes TVs and such. I can get upset about TV ewaste because those "smart" features are self-destructing otherwise good ones, and they're big. I had a new 70" Vizio TV get stuck in a permanent bootloop after 2.5 years.
pathartl 1y ago
Look at all of those 486s running Windows 10! Windows 11 is pure hell spawn. /s Is the cutoff for 11 a bit arbitrary? Sure, but it's not unprecedented by any means. The machines that are supposedly turning to ewaste stopped receiving driver updates years ago. Why aren't we calling for the heads of hardware manufacturers? Also let's ignore the obvious that the TPM check is still easily bypassable. It's not the most user friendly, your grandmother isn't going to be able to do it, but frankly your grandmother isn't going to update to 11 anyway. She's still stuck on 8.1.
thefz 1y ago
Eh, install something else?

jamespo 1y ago

including a high end workstation even though his old machine could upgrade to win 11 just fine

frollogaston 1y ago

I'm still not convinced that phone and laptop ewaste is a real problem. They're tiny. I've never actually thrown one away, they're just sitting around, taking less combined space than a nightstand drawer.

tommica 1y ago
It will be waste latest when you die
- frollogaston 1y ago
  Yeah so when I die, there will be one small trash bag containing my entire life's phones and laptops. It could fit inside the coffin with me if it's such a problem. It's basically nothing compared to my general waste.
akimbostrawman 1y ago
that might be the case for individuals but not corporations and organizations that also have the most hardware. i know from personal experience that windows 11 hardware requirements e-wasted tens of thousands of mostly perfectly fine computer and that is just a single medium sized organization. counting that up to even just one country is an enormous amount of waste. not to mention all the wasted money better spend elsewhere even your taxes will inevitable be wasted on this.
- frollogaston 1y ago
  But that's for tens of thousands of employees, who presumably don't have other jobs. And how long ago were those PCs produced?
  - akimbostrawman 1y ago
    yes but all those people also have devices at home. most of it around 5 years but that is hardly how long the hardware actually is usable especially if you use anything other than the bloated behemoth that windows has become. reminder that you can get a 10 year old pc with an SSD and any linux disto that will perform as good or even better for most basic office work than modern windows 11 on modern hardware....
    - frollogaston 1y ago
      Like I said, the devices at home are tiny. Sum up everything if you want, home + work + idk a second job, it's very little.
      - akimbostrawman 1y ago
        if you think a single medium sized organization killing 5 digit amount of perfectly usable hardware (these are average sized ~3kg desktop pcs) simply because of software is very little there is no argument that could convince you. try counting that up in your head only for your city (the whole world runs windows!) to decide if that is still "very little".
        frollogaston 1y ago
        The numbers are only meaningful per person. If you want to multiply by 10K, you have to multiply their other waste too for comparison. Also I said laptop+phone originally, not desktop, in part because not very many people have desktops.
        1y ago
endemic 1y ago
> I'm still not convinced that phone and laptop ewaste is a real problem. I don't throw away phones or computers myself either, but a cursory Googling should be informative. From what I understand, it's a lot of "out of sight, out of mind" in wealthy countries.
- frollogaston 1y ago
  Supposedly an average American throws away 1800lb per year, 46lb of which is ewaste, but that includes TVs and such. I can get upset about TV ewaste because those "smart" features are self-destructing otherwise good ones, and they're big. I had a new 70" Vizio TV get stuck in a permanent bootloop after 2.5 years.

pathartl 1y ago

Look at all of those 486s running Windows 10! Windows 11 is pure hell spawn. /s Is the cutoff for 11 a bit arbitrary? Sure, but it's not unprecedented by any means. The machines that are supposedly turning to ewaste stopped receiving driver updates years ago. Why aren't we calling for the heads of hardware manufacturers? Also let's ignore the obvious that the TPM check is still easily bypassable. It's not the most user friendly, your grandmother isn't going to be able to do it, but frankly your grandmother isn't going to update to 11 anyway. She's still stuck on 8.1.

thefz 1y ago

Eh, install something else?