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If everyone searches through Gemini, then there are no click conversions. Without click conversions there is no incentive for many websites to make new content.

If everyone searches through Gemini, then there are no click conversions. Without click conversions there is no incentive for many websites to make new content. Without content there is nothing new to learn for Gemini. It's an Ouroboros problem.

ctoth 1y ago
So you mean only people who want to post something for the fun of posting it will post and we won't get as much corporate crap/SEO? Darn. Of course practically this means people who post will have a reason to post and that reason might be to influence Gemini, so double darn.
- rootnod3 1y ago
  I said a majority. Say stack overflow, medium articles, online newspapers, they live off of click conversion. The internet is more than people just posting for fun. Of course everyone only posting for fun would be ideal. But even if you only post for fun, if most people only find your content by seeing it re-hashed by a LLM that hallucinates some other stuff in the middle, I'd probably also lose the fun in posting for posting sake.
  - HotHotLava 1y ago
    For me, I actually feel much more motivated to write good and accurate documentation knowing there will be at least one reader who is going to look at it very closely and will attempt to synthesize useful information from it. Same with my old open-source projects, it's kinda cool knowing that all the old stuff that nobody would have ever looked at anymore is now part of a humanity-wide corpus of useful knowledge on how to do X with language Y.
  - jsnider3 1y ago
    Yeah, a lot of the web is at-risk if searchers just read LLM summaries and don't click through, but we will have Skynet before that becomes a real issue and then this will all be irrelevant.
    - bigbuppo 1y ago
      Fortunately it was trained on reddit comments. Oh no.
  - wredcoll 1y ago
    Stack overflow makes a profit off click conversions. It does not exist because of it. People would have built a version regardless of the profit margin involved.
    - rootnod3 1y ago
      Running the site costs money. So you either run ads or make users pay. Either way, usage of LLMs for searching would decrease the income for these sites.
      - jjtheblunt 1y ago
        Kagi is exactly a counterexample to your assertion.
recursive 1y ago
You seem to be assuming that there will be no paid ads in Gemini output. It's hard for me to believe that is going to be true in five years.
- rootnod3 1y ago
  Oh, there's definitely going to be ads in there. Probably not even marked or visible as such. I fear that it's going to be weaved into the text somewhere.

ctoth 1y ago

So you mean only people who want to post something for the fun of posting it will post and we won't get as much corporate crap/SEO? Darn. Of course practically this means people who post will have a reason to post and that reason might be to influence Gemini, so double darn.

rootnod3 1y ago
I said a majority. Say stack overflow, medium articles, online newspapers, they live off of click conversion. The internet is more than people just posting for fun. Of course everyone only posting for fun would be ideal. But even if you only post for fun, if most people only find your content by seeing it re-hashed by a LLM that hallucinates some other stuff in the middle, I'd probably also lose the fun in posting for posting sake.
- HotHotLava 1y ago
  For me, I actually feel much more motivated to write good and accurate documentation knowing there will be at least one reader who is going to look at it very closely and will attempt to synthesize useful information from it. Same with my old open-source projects, it's kinda cool knowing that all the old stuff that nobody would have ever looked at anymore is now part of a humanity-wide corpus of useful knowledge on how to do X with language Y.
- jsnider3 1y ago
  Yeah, a lot of the web is at-risk if searchers just read LLM summaries and don't click through, but we will have Skynet before that becomes a real issue and then this will all be irrelevant.
  - bigbuppo 1y ago
    Fortunately it was trained on reddit comments. Oh no.
- wredcoll 1y ago
  Stack overflow makes a profit off click conversions. It does not exist because of it. People would have built a version regardless of the profit margin involved.
  - rootnod3 1y ago
    Running the site costs money. So you either run ads or make users pay. Either way, usage of LLMs for searching would decrease the income for these sites.
    - jjtheblunt 1y ago
      Kagi is exactly a counterexample to your assertion.

recursive 1y ago

You seem to be assuming that there will be no paid ads in Gemini output. It's hard for me to believe that is going to be true in five years.

rootnod3 1y ago
Oh, there's definitely going to be ads in there. Probably not even marked or visible as such. I fear that it's going to be weaved into the text somewhere.