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So far the Apple and Samsung updates are just making me angry. I can't believe that you can patent pinch and zoom and double tap to zoom. All this story is tel

So far the Apple and Samsung updates are just making me angry. I can't believe that you can patent pinch and zoom and double tap to zoom. All this story is telling me is just how much the system needs to be reformed.

podperson 14y ago
I like juries. Set aside the details of which particular patent has been claimed -- is this not a just decision? Is it not completely clear that Samsung copied Apple's designs to an extent bordering on fraud? If Samsung were making knockoff purses as similar to Louis Vuitton purses as many of its phones and tablets (and stores) were to Apple's, its products would be seized and destroyed. But Samsung isn't a hole-in-the-wall designer fashion accessory vendor but a multibillion dollar operation.
- kaonashi 14y ago
  No; no; hyperbole.
- drumdance 14y ago
  Louis Vitton is a trademark, not a patent, and knockoff designs have been going on legally for many many years.
  - podperson 14y ago
    http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1Y3NDUG_enUS498US498&client=tablet-android-asus-nexus&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8&q=louis+vuitton+knockoffs+destroyed http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1Y3NDUG_enUS498US498&cl... Louis Vuitton knockoffs are routinely destroyed for infringing exactly the kinds of design IP Samsung has just been nailed for.
- olalonde 14y ago
  https://www.google.com/search?q=black%20lcd%20tv&sugexp=chrome,mod%3D14&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=Tzs4UOfoBeyZ0QWv1oDABg https://www.google.com/search?q=black%20lcd%20tv&sugexp=... I wonder why TV manufacturers don't sue each others... they all look the same!
- mikeash 14y ago
  It's not anywhere remotely clear to me that Samsung came anywhere close to "fraud."
- SomeCallMeTim 14y ago
  A. Pinch and zoom on surfaces was invented by Microsoft Research years ago. Almost all of the "technology innovation" claimed by Apple since the Mac has been stolen/borrowed from other companies. B. Samsung devices were rounded-rectangle designs WELL before the iPod existed, and the concept of rounded-rectangle iPad-like devices that played video existed back in Stanley Kubrick's 2001. Ei ther should invalidate a "design patent" on such a look -- "black rounded rectangle" is absolutely insane to claim Apple owns!
  - podperson 14y ago
    A. No they didn't. (Samsung didn't even claim this -- they claimed that a multitouch window resize, which is neither as useful nor as intuitive as "pinch to zoom" nor actually zooms anything was "pinch to zoom" ... go watch the video.) B. If it were simply about "rounded rectangles" you'd be right. But it isn't and you're wrong. The letters L and V are not protected, but overlay them and print them on a handbag and you are in deep shit. (And yes, trademarks and design patents are different things but work in much the same way and have been used against each other in lawsuits.)
    - SomeCallMeTim 14y ago
      >No they didn't. OK, pinch to zoom was invented even before Microsoft used it. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_PixelSense https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_PixelSense and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-touch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-touch A big part was the rounded rectangles. Apple claimed it and the jury supported that claim. That's reprehensible garbage, and no legal system should support it. You're revealing yourself as an Apple fanboy; claiming that a rounded rectangle with black borders (that looks identical to previous years-old Samsung products!) is now OWNED by Apple is not sane and rational. The LV logo is distinctive. The shape of the iPad is at least as similar to products before it as the Samsung products that came later. You can't (or SHOULDN'T be able to) take ownership of a public domain design just because you've created a popular product that uses it!

podperson 14y ago

I like juries. Set aside the details of which particular patent has been claimed -- is this not a just decision? Is it not completely clear that Samsung copied Apple's designs to an extent bordering on fraud? If Samsung were making knockoff purses as similar to Louis Vuitton purses as many of its phones and tablets (and stores) were to Apple's, its products would be seized and destroyed. But Samsung isn't a hole-in-the-wall designer fashion accessory vendor but a multibillion dollar operation.

kaonashi 14y ago
No; no; hyperbole.
drumdance 14y ago
Louis Vitton is a trademark, not a patent, and knockoff designs have been going on legally for many many years.
- podperson 14y ago
  http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1Y3NDUG_enUS498US498&client=tablet-android-asus-nexus&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8&q=louis+vuitton+knockoffs+destroyed http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1Y3NDUG_enUS498US498&cl... Louis Vuitton knockoffs are routinely destroyed for infringing exactly the kinds of design IP Samsung has just been nailed for.
olalonde 14y ago
https://www.google.com/search?q=black%20lcd%20tv&sugexp=chrome,mod%3D14&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=Tzs4UOfoBeyZ0QWv1oDABg https://www.google.com/search?q=black%20lcd%20tv&sugexp=... I wonder why TV manufacturers don't sue each others... they all look the same!
mikeash 14y ago
It's not anywhere remotely clear to me that Samsung came anywhere close to "fraud."
SomeCallMeTim 14y ago
A. Pinch and zoom on surfaces was invented by Microsoft Research years ago. Almost all of the "technology innovation" claimed by Apple since the Mac has been stolen/borrowed from other companies. B. Samsung devices were rounded-rectangle designs WELL before the iPod existed, and the concept of rounded-rectangle iPad-like devices that played video existed back in Stanley Kubrick's 2001. Ei ther should invalidate a "design patent" on such a look -- "black rounded rectangle" is absolutely insane to claim Apple owns!
- podperson 14y ago
  A. No they didn't. (Samsung didn't even claim this -- they claimed that a multitouch window resize, which is neither as useful nor as intuitive as "pinch to zoom" nor actually zooms anything was "pinch to zoom" ... go watch the video.) B. If it were simply about "rounded rectangles" you'd be right. But it isn't and you're wrong. The letters L and V are not protected, but overlay them and print them on a handbag and you are in deep shit. (And yes, trademarks and design patents are different things but work in much the same way and have been used against each other in lawsuits.)
  - SomeCallMeTim 14y ago
    >No they didn't. OK, pinch to zoom was invented even before Microsoft used it. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_PixelSense https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_PixelSense and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-touch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-touch A big part was the rounded rectangles. Apple claimed it and the jury supported that claim. That's reprehensible garbage, and no legal system should support it. You're revealing yourself as an Apple fanboy; claiming that a rounded rectangle with black borders (that looks identical to previous years-old Samsung products!) is now OWNED by Apple is not sane and rational. The LV logo is distinctive. The shape of the iPad is at least as similar to products before it as the Samsung products that came later. You can't (or SHOULDN'T be able to) take ownership of a public domain design just because you've created a popular product that uses it!