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To draw a possibly inapt analogy: it was clear at a certain point that CVS, the king of versioning systems, was going to be replaced. It also seemed clear that
by dsr_ 1y ago
To draw a possibly inapt analogy: it was clear at a certain point that CVS, the king of versioning systems, was going to be replaced. It also seemed clear that any successful contender would seamlessly import from CVS, but not necessarily from any of the unsuccessful contenders, so it made sense to wait and let everyone else fight it out.
(And the winner appeared to be subversion, for a couple of years, and then git came along and won decisively -- with support for importing from subversion.)
I have been assuming that Wayland would pull itself together or else someone would build a competitor that does everything X11 can do, but also backwards and in heels and doing a creditable job at running X applications. Somehow neither of these has happened yet.
I am fond of the idea of arcan -- arcan-fe.com -- being that winner, but there doesn't seem to be much traction.
- ur-whale 1y agoVery apt analogy. Wayland is indeed the subversion of window systems, can't wait for it to die and be replaced by a window system equivalent of git.
- ahartmetz 1y agoWayland isn't bad or limited by design. It's just too little. If you just made all the necessary extensions for desktop use and made them mandatory (possibly in a single implementation like Xorg), you'd have a solution.
- ur-whale 1y ago> It's just too little. The X11 ecosystem might be very rich, but it's been 17 years since the Wayland project inception. Just saying.
- ahartmetz 1y agoSure it's a problem, but more of a social one. Wayland's creator was weirdly opposed (that was the net effect anyway) to adding features, and the freedestop.org setup is better, but not good.
- donkeybeer 1y ago>or else someone would build a competitor that does everything X11 can do, but also backwards and in heels and doing a creditable job at running X applications. I fear the genetic code for such kind of work no longer exists in the DNA. Almost all new development work just doesn't have it in them at all.
- mqus 1y agoI counter with Pipewire. Supports all of the previous linux audio systems out of the box, and almost right from the start (and is drop-in replacable), has less bugs, less problems than their previous options. Runs stable as hell. Sometimes I wonder how this even happened, like, it seems impossible.
- ahartmetz 1y agoIt was done by someone who deeply understands the subject matter and it took a couple of years of full-time work before seeing wide use. But yeah, it's so good that you can basically put a checkmark on "Linux audio".
- gf000 1y ago> I have been assuming that Wayland would pull itself together or else someone would build a competitor that does everything X11 can do, but also backwards and in heels and doing a creditable job at running X applications. Somehow neither of these has happened yet. Then what XWayland is?