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0% chance European investigators find renewables at fault.

cogman10 1y ago
I see no reason why they wouldn't. Nobody wants an unstable grid and if it's renewables that ultimately killed the grid they'll want to know exactly why and how to prevent it in the future. There are known problems with renewables, but there's also solutions that can be retrofit onto renewables to avoid those problems. Renewable power suppliers won't like those costs because it will cost money.
- ErneX 1y ago
  The Spanish government blamed nuclear since the day of the blackout. Red Eléctrica has a government majority stake and they appointed its director (someone with zero energy sector experience by the way) and seeing how they cover every corruption scandal lately I wouldn't be surprised they try to sweep this under the rug as well. Hopefully the EU does a decent investigation though.
  - diggan 1y ago
    There is still no official explanation so lets not say that the government has "blamed" anything (yet), we have to wait for the official to know what they "blame".
    - ErneX 1y ago
      President Sanchez: “These plants, far from being a solution, have been a problem” https://www.eldiario.es/economia/sanchez-manda-mensaje-claro-nucleares-centrales-lejos-solucion-han-sido-problema_1_12256775.html https://www.eldiario.es/economia/sanchez-manda-mensaje-claro... Outright lie specially considering we got power back in huge part thanks to France nuclear power.
      - diggan 1y ago
        I'm not Sanchez fanboy by any measure, but are you sure you understand that article correctly? He seems to be talking about Spanish nuclear plants, not the French ones...
        ErneX 1y ago
        Of course I understand. I also heard him live on my battery powered radio the day of the blackout once he came out to speak for the 1st time at around 5pm, almost 6 hours after the blackout started to say basically nothing.
        diggan 1y ago
        > Of course I understand Ok, so why bring up French nuclear power then? > after the blackout started to say basically nothing Yeah, I mean typical governments, "basically nothing" is their forte. I've also been listening to what they're saying (or not) since the blackout happened too, and the only concrete thing they're saying is "wait for the full report", I'm not sure how anyone could understand it any differently.
        ErneX 1y ago
        They say wait for the whole report but the same day of the blackout while power was still gone he practically said nuclear was useless or even a problem. But then we had to be rescued by France through their nuclear power to get our stuff back online. I bet the reason of the blackout was exactly our lack of combined cycle or nuclear those days, we were running mostly on solar.
        diggan 1y ago
        > They say wait for the whole report I'm glad you realize what they're saying finally. > the same day of the blackout while power was still gone he practically said nuclear was useless or even a problem I don't remember him saying that at all, and we were glued to the radio the entire day basically. And you seem to still mix up the fact that Sanchez has been saying that "Spanish nuclear plants" are a problem, which is true, they're not being well taken care of, and he is not the only one saying that. He is not saying "nuclear power" as a concept sucks or is a problem, or that the French nuclear plants made things worse, only that our nuclear plants kind of suck, which is true. As is typical, you seem to miss completely any sort of nuance when you think and talk about these issues, especially considering the context. You say you understand it, you provide some article to "back it up", but everything points towards you misunderstanding most of the content you seem to consume.
SideburnsOfDoom 1y ago
IDk what you're saying: 1) ... because renewables are clearly not at fault and can be discounted immediately? 2) ... because they're ideologically protecting faulty renewables? 1 is a stretch (I don't think they likely are at fault - the disinformation on this is obvious, but investigators have to investigate everything), and 2 is bilge.

I see no reason why they wouldn't. Nobody wants an unstable grid and if it's renewables that ultimately killed the grid they'll want to know exactly why and how to prevent it in the future. There are known problems with renewables, but there's also solutions that can be retrofit onto renewables to avoid those problems. Renewable power suppliers won't like those costs because it will cost money.

ErneX 1y ago
The Spanish government blamed nuclear since the day of the blackout. Red Eléctrica has a government majority stake and they appointed its director (someone with zero energy sector experience by the way) and seeing how they cover every corruption scandal lately I wouldn't be surprised they try to sweep this under the rug as well. Hopefully the EU does a decent investigation though.
- diggan 1y ago
  There is still no official explanation so lets not say that the government has "blamed" anything (yet), we have to wait for the official to know what they "blame".
  - ErneX 1y ago
    President Sanchez: “These plants, far from being a solution, have been a problem” https://www.eldiario.es/economia/sanchez-manda-mensaje-claro-nucleares-centrales-lejos-solucion-han-sido-problema_1_12256775.html https://www.eldiario.es/economia/sanchez-manda-mensaje-claro... Outright lie specially considering we got power back in huge part thanks to France nuclear power.
    - diggan 1y ago
      I'm not Sanchez fanboy by any measure, but are you sure you understand that article correctly? He seems to be talking about Spanish nuclear plants, not the French ones...
      - ErneX 1y ago
        Of course I understand. I also heard him live on my battery powered radio the day of the blackout once he came out to speak for the 1st time at around 5pm, almost 6 hours after the blackout started to say basically nothing.
        diggan 1y ago
        > Of course I understand Ok, so why bring up French nuclear power then? > after the blackout started to say basically nothing Yeah, I mean typical governments, "basically nothing" is their forte. I've also been listening to what they're saying (or not) since the blackout happened too, and the only concrete thing they're saying is "wait for the full report", I'm not sure how anyone could understand it any differently.
        ErneX 1y ago
        They say wait for the whole report but the same day of the blackout while power was still gone he practically said nuclear was useless or even a problem. But then we had to be rescued by France through their nuclear power to get our stuff back online. I bet the reason of the blackout was exactly our lack of combined cycle or nuclear those days, we were running mostly on solar.
        diggan 1y ago
        > They say wait for the whole report I'm glad you realize what they're saying finally. > the same day of the blackout while power was still gone he practically said nuclear was useless or even a problem I don't remember him saying that at all, and we were glued to the radio the entire day basically. And you seem to still mix up the fact that Sanchez has been saying that "Spanish nuclear plants" are a problem, which is true, they're not being well taken care of, and he is not the only one saying that. He is not saying "nuclear power" as a concept sucks or is a problem, or that the French nuclear plants made things worse, only that our nuclear plants kind of suck, which is true. As is typical, you seem to miss completely any sort of nuance when you think and talk about these issues, especially considering the context. You say you understand it, you provide some article to "back it up", but everything points towards you misunderstanding most of the content you seem to consume.

SideburnsOfDoom 1y ago

IDk what you're saying: 1) ... because renewables are clearly not at fault and can be discounted immediately? 2) ... because they're ideologically protecting faulty renewables? 1 is a stretch (I don't think they likely are at fault - the disinformation on this is obvious, but investigators have to investigate everything), and 2 is bilge.