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A software developer is not required to do any continuing education at all.

xpe 1y ago
Ok, but you are moving the goalposts relative to my original quote: “Their daily practice leaves little time or incentive for keeping up with studies.” My first point is that software developers (generally, more often than not) have the time and incentive to learn on an ongoing basis. Second point: if continuing education has to be mandated, it is likely a symptom of a system that lacks proper incentives. On the positive side, as more patients educate themselves and press doctors for statistical understanding and synthesis across studies, “Dr. Expert’s” stale knowledge will no longer fly.
- thfuran 1y ago
  Mandated continuing education isn't a sign of missing incentives, it is the incentive. Being required to do something to keep working in the field seems like a pretty strong incentive to me. But I certainly won't dispute that doctors in most systems in the US are overworked starting at least in residency.
  - xpe 1y ago
    We both know there is a difference between intrinsic and extrinsic incentives. This difference underlies so many things, including: (i) justification for regulatory frameworks; (ii) individual motivation; and (iii) likelihood of follow-up / compliance.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > if continuing education has to be mandated, it is likely a symptom of a system that lacks proper incentives I’m a pilot and work in finance. They both have continuing-education requirements. The ones in the former are practical and helpful. The ones in the latter are mostly performative. (In some cases, arguably counterproductive.) The existence of continuing-education mandates per se tells you almost nothing about the system as a whole.
  - xpe 1y ago
    Point taken. Interesting example. Do you have some theories about why continuing education requirements are so different in aviation compared with finance? Some factors might include: individual skin in the game, observability, feasibility, and the temporal and causal distance from action to consequences.
    - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
      > Do you have some theories about why continuing education requirements are so different in aviation compared with finance? Culture of professionalism. That’s kind of a bullshit answer, but it’s the closest phrase I can come to that encapsulates pilots taking the rules seriously, both because they’re there for a good reason and the FAA isn’t afraid to yank your wings, but also because the FAA isn’t usually making rules to seem tough on pilots or otherwise infantilise them, it’s following an evidence-based approach that’s explicitly endorsed by pilots. (After a crash, you aren’t trying to find who to blame. You’re trying to prevent the next crash.)
potato3732842 1y ago
Software developer doesn't hold a certification from a trade group that has a government violence backed monopoly on deciding who can make a buck performing said craft.
- thfuran 1y ago
  Yes, they're missing a pretty strong incentive.

xpe 1y ago

Ok, but you are moving the goalposts relative to my original quote: “Their daily practice leaves little time or incentive for keeping up with studies.” My first point is that software developers (generally, more often than not) have the time and incentive to learn on an ongoing basis. Second point: if continuing education has to be mandated, it is likely a symptom of a system that lacks proper incentives. On the positive side, as more patients educate themselves and press doctors for statistical understanding and synthesis across studies, “Dr. Expert’s” stale knowledge will no longer fly.

thfuran 1y ago
Mandated continuing education isn't a sign of missing incentives, it is the incentive. Being required to do something to keep working in the field seems like a pretty strong incentive to me. But I certainly won't dispute that doctors in most systems in the US are overworked starting at least in residency.
- xpe 1y ago
  We both know there is a difference between intrinsic and extrinsic incentives. This difference underlies so many things, including: (i) justification for regulatory frameworks; (ii) individual motivation; and (iii) likelihood of follow-up / compliance.
JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> if continuing education has to be mandated, it is likely a symptom of a system that lacks proper incentives I’m a pilot and work in finance. They both have continuing-education requirements. The ones in the former are practical and helpful. The ones in the latter are mostly performative. (In some cases, arguably counterproductive.) The existence of continuing-education mandates per se tells you almost nothing about the system as a whole.
- xpe 1y ago
  Point taken. Interesting example. Do you have some theories about why continuing education requirements are so different in aviation compared with finance? Some factors might include: individual skin in the game, observability, feasibility, and the temporal and causal distance from action to consequences.
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > Do you have some theories about why continuing education requirements are so different in aviation compared with finance? Culture of professionalism. That’s kind of a bullshit answer, but it’s the closest phrase I can come to that encapsulates pilots taking the rules seriously, both because they’re there for a good reason and the FAA isn’t afraid to yank your wings, but also because the FAA isn’t usually making rules to seem tough on pilots or otherwise infantilise them, it’s following an evidence-based approach that’s explicitly endorsed by pilots. (After a crash, you aren’t trying to find who to blame. You’re trying to prevent the next crash.)

potato3732842 1y ago

Software developer doesn't hold a certification from a trade group that has a government violence backed monopoly on deciding who can make a buck performing said craft.

thfuran 1y ago
Yes, they're missing a pretty strong incentive.