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[Dennis Yurichev] was forcefully draften/enrolled to Ukraine army

17 points by colejohnson66 1y ago

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- Arnt 1y ago
  Do you happen to know whether there's any conscription in Moscow and/or St. Petersburg? I mean, the Russians round up people from the periphery and send them off to help liberate Ukraine from the Ukrainians, but do you happen to know whether people from the core cities of the empire are conscripted?
  - mopsi 1y ago
    Russian police are targeting migrants and draft-age men in a wave of raids on gyms and martial arts clubs across major cities, with activists describing them as part of a broader crackdown that intensified ahead of the country’s spring military draft. /-/ Similar raids have since been reported at other Spirit Fitness locations, as well as gyms in the cities of St. Petersburg, Irkutsk, Yekaterinburg and Krasnodar, according to Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty’s regional desk Sever Realii. /-/ Lawyers in multiple regions told Sever Realii that gym raids now happen at least twice a month in major cities. Russian citizens are typically sent to enlistment offices, while foreign nationals are taken to temporary detention centers. Many are ultimately deported. https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/05/01/russian-police-raid-gyms-and-martial-arts-clubs-amid-spring-conscription-drive-a88921 https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/05/01/russian-police-rai...
    - selivanovp 1y ago
      Man, stop reading and posting this propaganda bullshit. RFERL is a shithole on a USAID payroll. Migrants can't even be conscripted as they're not Russia citizens. So, police raids against migrants are targeting illegal migration, have nothing to do with military service.
      - mopsi 1y ago
        Radio Free Europe is a really solid outlet that has maintained a balanced and consistent coverage of Russia for many years, and this seems to piss off Russian trolls like nothing else. Thank you for adding a data point.
        selivanovp 1y ago
        >Radio Free Europe is a really solid outlet that has maintained a balanced and consistent coverage of Russia for many years Lmao. I guess you're their employee? >this seems to piss off Russian Yes, that's the only thing they're good at. Pissing off Russian citizens as the level of lies they keep producing for years is just unbelievable.
        mopsi 1y ago
        > Pissing off Russian citizens as the level of lies they keep producing for years is just unbelievable. Radio Free Europe has maintained a strong focus on social issues, and that seems to piss off trolls the most. Stories about ordinary people and the social issues they face in everyday life are much more powerful than generic articles about politics. This story about gold mining destroying rivers is a good example: https://www.rferl.org/a/krasnoyarsk-siberia-polluted-rivers-gold-mining-russia-catastrophe/32599027.html https://www.rferl.org/a/krasnoyarsk-siberia-polluted-rivers-...
      - cafard 1y ago
        One didn't have to be a citizen to be drafted by the US Selective Service. Russia is more liberal in the matter?
  - selivanovp 1y ago
    You're missing/mixing the concepts. Conscripts army exists in Russia for decades, it's a mandatory service unless you are not fit due to some illness or due to higher education exceptions. Russia conscripts from every region proportionally to a population about 160k people every half a year (1 year mandatory service). These people do not participate in Ukrainian war directly unless they're part of the border guard and Ukraine tries to breach it. And there's a professional army, with contracts. That's who is fighting in Ukraine. Conscripts after their mandatory service is finished may sign or not sign a professional contract. MoD hires soldiers in every region, pays good salaries, but this salary is very lucrative for periphery regions, but not as attractive compared to some jobs in cities like Moscow or St.Petersburg. Yet, they increased bonuses for two capitals compared to other cities. So, overall, most soldiers are not from Msk or SPb, but every region has enough volunteers so far to not mobilize.
    - mopsi 1y ago
      You conveniently forget the part where conscripts are coerced into signing up for the professional contract, or the signatures are falsified altogether without them even knowing. Semyon* (name changed) was conscripted in Chelyabinsk, in the Urals, having served in the Pskov region of northwestern Russia for the first five months, where he was asked to sign a contract several times but refused. On 20 April, he was transferred to the Chebarkul garrison and signed up for professional service after just two and a half hours. His mother says that on the way to the unit he complained of being actively pressured into signing a contract, after which Semyon was taken to a separate office, where a sergeant fired a gun next to him and showed him a video of dead and wounded people, threatening that the same thing would happen to him if he didn’t sign. Semyon broke under the pressure, his family says. On the same day, he applied to have the contract annulled, saying he had signed under duress, asking for it to be declared invalid as the commander had not yet signed it, but to no avail. The article contains several other examples too: https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2025/05/14/unwilling-signatories-en https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2025/05/14/unwilling-signat...
      - selivanovp 1y ago
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- IAmBroom 1y ago
  Thanks, Putin-bot. Ukraine is fighting for its very existence, and to avoid enslavement and genocide of its people (using long-established UN definitions of genocide). Conscription is justifiable in such cases.
  - selivanovp 1y ago
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    - artem2471 1y ago
      What is the death toll in Mariupol?
      - selivanovp 1y ago
        I don't think we have a totally verified number up to this day. It's definitely several thousands as Ukrainian army actively prevented civilians to leave the city, so significant number died under collapsed buildings. Overall, according to UN "More than 12,654 civilian men, women, girls, and boys have been killed, and over 29,392 injured since 24 February 2022, as verified by HRMMU." https://ukraine.un.org/en/289667-civilian-harm-and-human-rights-abuses-persist-ukraine-war-enters-fourth-year https://ukraine.un.org/en/289667-civilian-harm-and-human-rig... https://www.statista.com/statistics/1293409/civilian-deaths-related-to-russia-ukraine-conflict/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1293409/civilian-deaths-... With the May of 2025 the total casualties are claimed as 13341: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1293492/ukraine-war-casualties/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1293492/ukraine-war-casu...
  - vizzah 1y ago
    Ukraine - as how it wants to exist in the present: West-oriented and with Ukrainian-speaking population - can exist without these parts Russia demands. Those parts were Russia oriented in the first place. There is no reason to forcefully conscript those unwilling to fight and send them to die for no reason. This war shouldn't be lasting that long. "Threat to it's very existence" is a lie, Ukraine will be smaller, but it could have much stronger identity. The risk of losing more land to Russia is much higher than keeping pushing up this false ideology about "existence risk". Why there is still no referendum about Crimea, which Zelenskiy promised, if elected? He has drastically changed the course for some reason and many Ukrainians oppose this suicidal fighting for nothing. There is minerals deal already - time to stop and negotiate some better terms, instead of blank refusing them. PS: I think I recalled Dennis' nickname.. Y0nkie :) dude, hope you will get out of this safe and sound. I know it's not your war, as neither it would have been mine, should I have stayed in Ukraine..
benterix 1y ago
It is very sad that such talented people have to face dangers to their life because one old man had a fantasy of expanding his empire.
vizzah 1y ago
Damn.. even though we were both on the same reverse-engineering/cracking scene back in the '90s, but I can't immediately recall his scene nickname -- his full name has immediately slammed me back. Were we all the same gang - whether from .ua or from .ru, hanging on IRCs, chatting in English and Russian (almost nobody spoke Ukrainian online back then), although Dennis was from a Russian-speaking part of UA.. I see his blog is still predominantly in Russian (with ENG translation), it is so damn pathetic that Ukrainians are being suppressed into ukrainization and fighting for a cause many do not side with - four oblasts which Russia demands should be given to them to stop the war. It's unpopular opinion, but people in Ukraine do not want to die and fight for being "pro-Europe". It is simply not worth it. As a Ukrainian who emigrated decades ago, I am asking everyone to push Zelenskiy towards being more accommodating to Russian demands, give them their f*cking four oblasts and the Crimea, but stop the war! It can't be won. I'd like to hope that Dennis could get away from serving or use his tech skills in drone teams or whatever.. but how many other talented people are being taken to the front lines against their own will and against their cause?! :(
- rasz 1y ago
  Its pure Danegeld, you give bully one finger he cuts off your arm. putin himself is quite clear about goal being going back to at least pre 1989 borders. If Ukraine would agree to what you were manipulated into believing Dennis Yurichev would be drafted into russian army and forced to storm Lithuania.
- benterix 1y ago
  If everybody followed your line of reasoning, not only Ukraine but half of Europe would be Russian already. Remember Putin's initial demand before the invasion was a full reset to the 90s. It was only because of Ukraine's dramatic fight that he scaled his demands temporarily. Also, this logic doesn't work, because if it worked, he should already be satisfied by the annexation of Crimea in 2014. But he didn't, and this "success" made him even more hungry. It took time for everyone to understand this.
  - vizzah 1y ago
    I don't buy this nonsense about Putin having ambitions beyond Right-Bank Ukraine. Putin didn't expect such resistance, and he understands now that Ukraine won't allow itself to become entirely Russian. Western Ukraine is not a match for Russia ideologically or historically, and since the war began, Central Ukraine has become much more radical in its stance toward everything Russian. He now realizes that Eastern Ukraine is the only area where Russia can be tolerated , if ceded to Russia. And please -- anyone who talks about European ambitions is either naive or deliberately spreading propaganda.

17 points by colejohnson66 1y ago

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Arnt 1y ago
Do you happen to know whether there's any conscription in Moscow and/or St. Petersburg? I mean, the Russians round up people from the periphery and send them off to help liberate Ukraine from the Ukrainians, but do you happen to know whether people from the core cities of the empire are conscripted?
- mopsi 1y ago
  Russian police are targeting migrants and draft-age men in a wave of raids on gyms and martial arts clubs across major cities, with activists describing them as part of a broader crackdown that intensified ahead of the country’s spring military draft. /-/ Similar raids have since been reported at other Spirit Fitness locations, as well as gyms in the cities of St. Petersburg, Irkutsk, Yekaterinburg and Krasnodar, according to Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty’s regional desk Sever Realii. /-/ Lawyers in multiple regions told Sever Realii that gym raids now happen at least twice a month in major cities. Russian citizens are typically sent to enlistment offices, while foreign nationals are taken to temporary detention centers. Many are ultimately deported. https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/05/01/russian-police-raid-gyms-and-martial-arts-clubs-amid-spring-conscription-drive-a88921 https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/05/01/russian-police-rai...
  - selivanovp 1y ago
    Man, stop reading and posting this propaganda bullshit. RFERL is a shithole on a USAID payroll. Migrants can't even be conscripted as they're not Russia citizens. So, police raids against migrants are targeting illegal migration, have nothing to do with military service.
    - mopsi 1y ago
      Radio Free Europe is a really solid outlet that has maintained a balanced and consistent coverage of Russia for many years, and this seems to piss off Russian trolls like nothing else. Thank you for adding a data point.
      - selivanovp 1y ago
        >Radio Free Europe is a really solid outlet that has maintained a balanced and consistent coverage of Russia for many years Lmao. I guess you're their employee? >this seems to piss off Russian Yes, that's the only thing they're good at. Pissing off Russian citizens as the level of lies they keep producing for years is just unbelievable.
        mopsi 1y ago
        > Pissing off Russian citizens as the level of lies they keep producing for years is just unbelievable. Radio Free Europe has maintained a strong focus on social issues, and that seems to piss off trolls the most. Stories about ordinary people and the social issues they face in everyday life are much more powerful than generic articles about politics. This story about gold mining destroying rivers is a good example: https://www.rferl.org/a/krasnoyarsk-siberia-polluted-rivers-gold-mining-russia-catastrophe/32599027.html https://www.rferl.org/a/krasnoyarsk-siberia-polluted-rivers-...
    - cafard 1y ago
      One didn't have to be a citizen to be drafted by the US Selective Service. Russia is more liberal in the matter?
- selivanovp 1y ago
  You're missing/mixing the concepts. Conscripts army exists in Russia for decades, it's a mandatory service unless you are not fit due to some illness or due to higher education exceptions. Russia conscripts from every region proportionally to a population about 160k people every half a year (1 year mandatory service). These people do not participate in Ukrainian war directly unless they're part of the border guard and Ukraine tries to breach it. And there's a professional army, with contracts. That's who is fighting in Ukraine. Conscripts after their mandatory service is finished may sign or not sign a professional contract. MoD hires soldiers in every region, pays good salaries, but this salary is very lucrative for periphery regions, but not as attractive compared to some jobs in cities like Moscow or St.Petersburg. Yet, they increased bonuses for two capitals compared to other cities. So, overall, most soldiers are not from Msk or SPb, but every region has enough volunteers so far to not mobilize.
  - mopsi 1y ago
    You conveniently forget the part where conscripts are coerced into signing up for the professional contract, or the signatures are falsified altogether without them even knowing. Semyon* (name changed) was conscripted in Chelyabinsk, in the Urals, having served in the Pskov region of northwestern Russia for the first five months, where he was asked to sign a contract several times but refused. On 20 April, he was transferred to the Chebarkul garrison and signed up for professional service after just two and a half hours. His mother says that on the way to the unit he complained of being actively pressured into signing a contract, after which Semyon was taken to a separate office, where a sergeant fired a gun next to him and showed him a video of dead and wounded people, threatening that the same thing would happen to him if he didn’t sign. Semyon broke under the pressure, his family says. On the same day, he applied to have the contract annulled, saying he had signed under duress, asking for it to be declared invalid as the commander had not yet signed it, but to no avail. The article contains several other examples too: https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2025/05/14/unwilling-signatories-en https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2025/05/14/unwilling-signat...
    - selivanovp 1y ago
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IAmBroom 1y ago
Thanks, Putin-bot. Ukraine is fighting for its very existence, and to avoid enslavement and genocide of its people (using long-established UN definitions of genocide). Conscription is justifiable in such cases.
- selivanovp 1y ago
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  - artem2471 1y ago
    What is the death toll in Mariupol?
    - selivanovp 1y ago
      I don't think we have a totally verified number up to this day. It's definitely several thousands as Ukrainian army actively prevented civilians to leave the city, so significant number died under collapsed buildings. Overall, according to UN "More than 12,654 civilian men, women, girls, and boys have been killed, and over 29,392 injured since 24 February 2022, as verified by HRMMU." https://ukraine.un.org/en/289667-civilian-harm-and-human-rights-abuses-persist-ukraine-war-enters-fourth-year https://ukraine.un.org/en/289667-civilian-harm-and-human-rig... https://www.statista.com/statistics/1293409/civilian-deaths-related-to-russia-ukraine-conflict/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1293409/civilian-deaths-... With the May of 2025 the total casualties are claimed as 13341: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1293492/ukraine-war-casualties/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1293492/ukraine-war-casu...
- vizzah 1y ago
  Ukraine - as how it wants to exist in the present: West-oriented and with Ukrainian-speaking population - can exist without these parts Russia demands. Those parts were Russia oriented in the first place. There is no reason to forcefully conscript those unwilling to fight and send them to die for no reason. This war shouldn't be lasting that long. "Threat to it's very existence" is a lie, Ukraine will be smaller, but it could have much stronger identity. The risk of losing more land to Russia is much higher than keeping pushing up this false ideology about "existence risk". Why there is still no referendum about Crimea, which Zelenskiy promised, if elected? He has drastically changed the course for some reason and many Ukrainians oppose this suicidal fighting for nothing. There is minerals deal already - time to stop and negotiate some better terms, instead of blank refusing them. PS: I think I recalled Dennis' nickname.. Y0nkie :) dude, hope you will get out of this safe and sound. I know it's not your war, as neither it would have been mine, should I have stayed in Ukraine..

benterix 1y ago

It is very sad that such talented people have to face dangers to their life because one old man had a fantasy of expanding his empire.

vizzah 1y ago

Damn.. even though we were both on the same reverse-engineering/cracking scene back in the '90s, but I can't immediately recall his scene nickname -- his full name has immediately slammed me back. Were we all the same gang - whether from .ua or from .ru, hanging on IRCs, chatting in English and Russian (almost nobody spoke Ukrainian online back then), although Dennis was from a Russian-speaking part of UA.. I see his blog is still predominantly in Russian (with ENG translation), it is so damn pathetic that Ukrainians are being suppressed into ukrainization and fighting for a cause many do not side with - four oblasts which Russia demands should be given to them to stop the war. It's unpopular opinion, but people in Ukraine do not want to die and fight for being "pro-Europe". It is simply not worth it. As a Ukrainian who emigrated decades ago, I am asking everyone to push Zelenskiy towards being more accommodating to Russian demands, give them their f*cking four oblasts and the Crimea, but stop the war! It can't be won. I'd like to hope that Dennis could get away from serving or use his tech skills in drone teams or whatever.. but how many other talented people are being taken to the front lines against their own will and against their cause?! :(

rasz 1y ago
Its pure Danegeld, you give bully one finger he cuts off your arm. putin himself is quite clear about goal being going back to at least pre 1989 borders. If Ukraine would agree to what you were manipulated into believing Dennis Yurichev would be drafted into russian army and forced to storm Lithuania.
benterix 1y ago
If everybody followed your line of reasoning, not only Ukraine but half of Europe would be Russian already. Remember Putin's initial demand before the invasion was a full reset to the 90s. It was only because of Ukraine's dramatic fight that he scaled his demands temporarily. Also, this logic doesn't work, because if it worked, he should already be satisfied by the annexation of Crimea in 2014. But he didn't, and this "success" made him even more hungry. It took time for everyone to understand this.
- vizzah 1y ago
  I don't buy this nonsense about Putin having ambitions beyond Right-Bank Ukraine. Putin didn't expect such resistance, and he understands now that Ukraine won't allow itself to become entirely Russian. Western Ukraine is not a match for Russia ideologically or historically, and since the war began, Central Ukraine has become much more radical in its stance toward everything Russian. He now realizes that Eastern Ukraine is the only area where Russia can be tolerated , if ceded to Russia. And please -- anyone who talks about European ambitions is either naive or deliberately spreading propaganda.