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I really hope it helps them build a decent app, but I doubt it. In Ukraine, there's a huge problem of Telegram being so feature-rich compared to WhatsApp that i

by k_bx 1y ago

I really hope it helps them build a decent app, but I doubt it. In Ukraine, there's a huge problem of Telegram being so feature-rich compared to WhatsApp that it's impossible to convince people to do the switch, even under the national security threat.

ale42 1y ago
If one should switch, why should they switch to WhatsApp instead of something more privacy-friendly as Signal?
- k_bx 1y ago
  I'm a much heavier Signal user than WhatsApp but for broader audience it not even serious to consider. Too slow/laggish, lacks features (at some point it ate 40GB of my phone space -- with no good UI to clean it up), crashes etc. Not ready for this kind of scenario, unfortunately.
  - frollogaston 1y ago
    I missed 2 weeks of message notifications because Signal quietly went out of date. It had one job!
jaoane 1y ago
Really WhatsApp is not a national security threat? Ukraine is basically a vassal state of the US at this point, I would think it would be best to depend less of them.
- k_bx 1y ago
  It is to an extent, but not as much to call it a "national security threat".
changadera 1y ago
That's funny because one of the reasons I used Telegram originally was the encryption of messages and open sourcedness. Also Whatsapp use to require your phone to be on and with signal to receive messages on the web app.
prmoustache 1y ago
What are the telegram features that whatsapp or signal users are missing? I've tried it in the past and all that could be done was due to the platform not having e2e encryption on standard chats.
- TiredOfLife 1y ago
  Native desktop client for one.
- ReptileMan 1y ago
  >What are the telegram features that whatsapp or signal users are missing? Onlyfans girls channels.
  - elric 1y ago
    Those exist on Whatsapp as well.
- shufflerofrocks 1y ago
  I shifted to Telegram a few years ago, and it was such a rich experience for me. Off the top of my head: - much much better performance - a good desktop client - open source message clients - scheduling messages - better search - many small gestures/UX features that feel thoughtfully implemented - better channels - message threads - chat folders - very easily programmable & deployable bots for moderation or implementation into your work flow - a lot of customisable settings Telegram is so much further in performance and feature than it's counterparts it's laughable. Almost all of the new features in Whatsapp/Signal were first implemented in Telegram. Some of them, as you said, are feasible because of the non-e2ee chats, but a lot of them are just plain universal.
  - prmoustache 1y ago
    I guess all this is available through the business version of whatsapp.
    - 1y ago
rainonmoon 1y ago
This Telegram? https://www.newsweek.com/telegram-messenger-russia-fsb-ties-report-2083491 https://www.newsweek.com/telegram-messenger-russia-fsb-ties-...

by k_bx 1y ago

ale42 1y ago

If one should switch, why should they switch to WhatsApp instead of something more privacy-friendly as Signal?

k_bx 1y ago
I'm a much heavier Signal user than WhatsApp but for broader audience it not even serious to consider. Too slow/laggish, lacks features (at some point it ate 40GB of my phone space -- with no good UI to clean it up), crashes etc. Not ready for this kind of scenario, unfortunately.
- frollogaston 1y ago
  I missed 2 weeks of message notifications because Signal quietly went out of date. It had one job!

jaoane 1y ago

Really WhatsApp is not a national security threat? Ukraine is basically a vassal state of the US at this point, I would think it would be best to depend less of them.

k_bx 1y ago
It is to an extent, but not as much to call it a "national security threat".

changadera 1y ago

That's funny because one of the reasons I used Telegram originally was the encryption of messages and open sourcedness. Also Whatsapp use to require your phone to be on and with signal to receive messages on the web app.

prmoustache 1y ago

What are the telegram features that whatsapp or signal users are missing? I've tried it in the past and all that could be done was due to the platform not having e2e encryption on standard chats.

TiredOfLife 1y ago
Native desktop client for one.
ReptileMan 1y ago
>What are the telegram features that whatsapp or signal users are missing? Onlyfans girls channels.
- elric 1y ago
  Those exist on Whatsapp as well.
shufflerofrocks 1y ago
I shifted to Telegram a few years ago, and it was such a rich experience for me. Off the top of my head: - much much better performance - a good desktop client - open source message clients - scheduling messages - better search - many small gestures/UX features that feel thoughtfully implemented - better channels - message threads - chat folders - very easily programmable & deployable bots for moderation or implementation into your work flow - a lot of customisable settings Telegram is so much further in performance and feature than it's counterparts it's laughable. Almost all of the new features in Whatsapp/Signal were first implemented in Telegram. Some of them, as you said, are feasible because of the non-e2ee chats, but a lot of them are just plain universal.
- prmoustache 1y ago
  I guess all this is available through the business version of whatsapp.
  - 1y ago

rainonmoon 1y ago

This Telegram? https://www.newsweek.com/telegram-messenger-russia-fsb-ties-report-2083491 https://www.newsweek.com/telegram-messenger-russia-fsb-ties-...