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No, but LSD helped me see things that couldn't be learned from outside. For some reason, it helps me recall childhood memories better. Sure maybe there's some g

No, but LSD helped me see things that couldn't be learned from outside. For some reason, it helps me recall childhood memories better. Sure maybe there's some guided therapy session that could have done that, but LSD gives it to me for free, along with a whole lot of other stuff.

bowsamic 1y ago
All knowledge that can be gained through LSD is contingent and experiential, not universal and certain I’m well aware through my own testing EDIT: I’m not saying it is useless information for your life but it is particular to your life, not truths of the universe like the person I replied to claimed
- LoganDark 1y ago
  Oh, of course, nothing about LSD can give me access to things that my brain just doesn't have access to. It can help with the things that already are in my brain though.
  - bowsamic 1y ago
    Your brain does have access to all rational truth
    - LoganDark 1y ago
      My brain has the ability to claim anything it wants as truth. I prefer for my truth to either be consistent with an objective or empirical truth, or be measurably opposed to truths I disagree with (and to a known degree). I don't always achieve this and I'm not always the best at being open-minded but it is the goal, I would think.
      - bowsamic 1y ago
        Empirical truth is a lesser form of truth, look for necessary truth, purely rational
        adastra22 1y ago
        Wha? Empirical truth is a lesser form of truth? What are you getting at there?
        bowsamic 1y ago
        Empirical observation is contingent, so cannot be the basis of certain knowledge.
        adastra22 1y ago
        Everything is contingent on empirical observation. Our rational brains are the product of pattern matching algorithms trained on empirical reality. There is no basis for rational thought that is not downstream of empiricism.
adastra22 1y ago
Did it let you recall childhood memories, or invent new ones? How would you know the difference?
- sethammons 1y ago
  Historic events can be corroborated.
  - LoganDark 1y ago
    This. There are certain events that we already know happened. We have approximate dates, and we have talked about the events with others, who have given us their impressions of how we acted at the time. But sometimes we don't remember what our internal thought processes were at the time, or we simply held some certain belief about what had occurred (e.g. "I just decided I didn't want to go to school some day", or "I wanted to go to school but ADHD wouldn't let me!"). Sure LSD can give us some creative visualizations, but sometimes it also gives us ideas that just make more sense than what we had before. Instead of some spooky brain disorder just randomly Stopping me from going to school that day, randomly, maybe it was actually a fight between alters (yay for dissociative identity disorder!). And the more I thought about it (especially being - apparently !! but clearly - able to see what was me and what was the other during those fights), the more true it seemed, especially given all the more instances of this I've discovered over time, and that it's part of a longstanding pattern, but I digress. More and more has come out over the months and years that builds a progressively clearer picture of why we act the way we do and why we've done certain things we've done; why I feel certain things I do, why I remember certain things I do and why I don't remember certain things I don't. I'm not seeing any universal truth; I am discovering our own truth, and we are discovering our own truths, and this has done a lot of good for us, especially where we gain a better understanding of our past behavior in friendships (and elsewhere), and where we can still improve, etc. Even if everything we've learned through LSD were false, I wouldn't even really care because we've still uncovered and figured out so much through this (much of it we've discussed with various others who were there during past events) that we are incredibly grateful to now know. So overall I think the experience for us has been positive, that we have gained much from it, and that we may stand to gain more over time since we are a regular user.

bowsamic 1y ago

All knowledge that can be gained through LSD is contingent and experiential, not universal and certain I’m well aware through my own testing EDIT: I’m not saying it is useless information for your life but it is particular to your life, not truths of the universe like the person I replied to claimed

LoganDark 1y ago
Oh, of course, nothing about LSD can give me access to things that my brain just doesn't have access to. It can help with the things that already are in my brain though.
- bowsamic 1y ago
  Your brain does have access to all rational truth
  - LoganDark 1y ago
    My brain has the ability to claim anything it wants as truth. I prefer for my truth to either be consistent with an objective or empirical truth, or be measurably opposed to truths I disagree with (and to a known degree). I don't always achieve this and I'm not always the best at being open-minded but it is the goal, I would think.
    - bowsamic 1y ago
      Empirical truth is a lesser form of truth, look for necessary truth, purely rational
      - adastra22 1y ago
        Wha? Empirical truth is a lesser form of truth? What are you getting at there?
        bowsamic 1y ago
        Empirical observation is contingent, so cannot be the basis of certain knowledge.
        adastra22 1y ago
        Everything is contingent on empirical observation. Our rational brains are the product of pattern matching algorithms trained on empirical reality. There is no basis for rational thought that is not downstream of empiricism.

adastra22 1y ago

Did it let you recall childhood memories, or invent new ones? How would you know the difference?

sethammons 1y ago
Historic events can be corroborated.
- LoganDark 1y ago
  This. There are certain events that we already know happened. We have approximate dates, and we have talked about the events with others, who have given us their impressions of how we acted at the time. But sometimes we don't remember what our internal thought processes were at the time, or we simply held some certain belief about what had occurred (e.g. "I just decided I didn't want to go to school some day", or "I wanted to go to school but ADHD wouldn't let me!"). Sure LSD can give us some creative visualizations, but sometimes it also gives us ideas that just make more sense than what we had before. Instead of some spooky brain disorder just randomly Stopping me from going to school that day, randomly, maybe it was actually a fight between alters (yay for dissociative identity disorder!). And the more I thought about it (especially being - apparently !! but clearly - able to see what was me and what was the other during those fights), the more true it seemed, especially given all the more instances of this I've discovered over time, and that it's part of a longstanding pattern, but I digress. More and more has come out over the months and years that builds a progressively clearer picture of why we act the way we do and why we've done certain things we've done; why I feel certain things I do, why I remember certain things I do and why I don't remember certain things I don't. I'm not seeing any universal truth; I am discovering our own truth, and we are discovering our own truths, and this has done a lot of good for us, especially where we gain a better understanding of our past behavior in friendships (and elsewhere), and where we can still improve, etc. Even if everything we've learned through LSD were false, I wouldn't even really care because we've still uncovered and figured out so much through this (much of it we've discussed with various others who were there during past events) that we are incredibly grateful to now know. So overall I think the experience for us has been positive, that we have gained much from it, and that we may stand to gain more over time since we are a regular user.