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Not trying to be rude here, but that `last_week.md` is horrible to me. I can't imagine having to read that let alone listen to the computer say it to me. It's s
by mjrbrennan 1y ago
Not trying to be rude here, but that `last_week.md` is horrible to me. I can't imagine having to read that let alone listen to the computer say it to me. It's so much blah blah and fluff that reads like a bad PR piece. I'd much rather scan through commits of the last week.
I've found this generally with AI summaries...usually their writing style is terrible, and I feel like I cannot really trust them to get the facts right, and reading the original text is often faster and better.
- block_dagger 1y agoYou can specify desired style in the prompt. The author seems to like PR sounding fluff while making morning coffee.
- fullstackchris 1y agoYeah I was done at "What happened here was more than just code..." -_-
- WD-42 1y agoI felt the same thing about the onboarding. Like what future are we trying to build for ourselves here, exactly? The kind where instead of sitting down with a coworker to learn about a codebase, instead we get an ai generated PowerPoint to read alone???? Im so over this timeline.
- JohnMakin 1y agoall of this just reads like the supposed UML zeitgeist that was supposed to transform java and eliminate development 20 years ago if this is all ultimately java but with even more steps, its a sign im definitely getting old. it’s just the same pattern of non technical people deceiving themselves into believing they dont need to be technical to build tech and then ultimately resulting in again 10-20 years of re-learning the painful lessons of that. let me off this train too im tired already
- bigiain 1y ago20 years before UML/Java it was "4th Generation Languages" that were going to bring "Application Development Without Programmers" to businesses. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth-generation_programming_language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth-generation_programming_...
- throwawayoldie 1y agoAnd before that it was high-level programming languages, or as we call them today, programming languages.
- xorcist 1y agoThe 4GL was mostly reporting languages, as I remember. Useful ones, too. I still feel we haven't been even close to utilizing specialized programming languages and toolkits. Put another way, I am certain that Unity has done more to get non-programmers to develop software than ChatGPT ever will.
- throwawayoldie 1y agoI'd argue first prize for that goes to Excel (for a sufficiently broad definition of "develop software").
- Agentlien 1y agoOf all the things I read at uni UML is the thing I've felt the least use for - even when designing new systems. I've had more use for things I never thought I'd need like Rayleigh scattering and processor design.
- never_inline 1y agoHere's a system prompt I tend to use ## Instructions * Be concise * Use simple sentences. But feel free to use technical jargon. * Do NOT overexplain basic concepts. Assume the user is technically proficient. * AVOID flattering, corporate-ish or marketing language. Maintain a neutral viewpoint. * AVOID vague and / or generic claims which may seem correct but are not substantiated by the the context. Cannot completely avoid hallucinations and it's good to avoid AI for text that's used for human-to-human communication. But this makes AI answers to coding and technical questions easier to read.
- NewsaHackO 1y ago>it's good to avoid AI for text that's used for human-to-human communication. Assuming it is fact checked, why?
- wpm 1y agoPersonally, I find it hard to not be insulted by it. If I put thought into a comment or question or request, I don’t want generated nonsense back. As I say, keep your slop in your own trough.
- never_inline 1y agoWhy would I? The only argument is that it improves the style of writing. But I am in an ESL environment and no one cares about that. Even otherwise why would anyone want to read a decompressed version instead of the "prompt" itself?
- TZubiri 1y agoRemember the sycophant bug? Maybe making the user FEELGOOD is part of what makes it feel smart or like a good experience. Is the reward function being smart? Is it maximizing interaction? Does it conflict with being accurate?
- joshstrange 1y agoI ran the prompt as-is on one of the main repos that I work on and the sycophancy was cloying. It praised so many things that I would just consider table steaks and made simple tweaks or features sound like massive projects. I’m sure it could be improved by tweaking the prompt and there were parts of it that I found impressive that it had picked out (specifically things not in commit messages) but I found it unusable in its current form.
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- beigebrucewayne 1y agoI agree, it's atrocious! 1. I shouldn't have used a newly created repo that had no real work over the course of the last week. 2. I should have put more time into the prompt to make it sound less nails on chalkboard.
- TeMPOraL 1y agoIf this was meant to be read, I might've agreed, but: 1) This was supposed to be piped through TTS and listened to in the background, and... 2) People like podcasts. Your typical podcast is much worse than this. It's "blah blah" and "hahaha <interaction>" and "ooh <emoting>" and "<irrelevant anecdote>" and "<turning facts upside down and injecting a lie for humorous effect>", and maybe some of the actual topic mixed in between, and yet for some reason, people love it. I honestly doubt this specific thing would be useful for me, but I'm not going to assume it's plain dumb, because again, podcasts are worse, and people love it.
- xandrius 1y agoWhat kind of podcast have you listened to, if any? They aren't all Joe Rogan.
- TeMPOraL 1y agoName one that isn't > 90% fluff and human interaction sounds.
- dghlsakjg 1y agoConversations with Tyler Cowen, Complex Systems with patio11 are two off the top of my head that concentrate on useful information, and certainly aren't "> 90% fluff and human interaction sounds". Unless of course people talking in any capacity is human interaction sounds, in which case, yes, every podcast is > 90% human interaction sounds.
- TeMPOraL 1y agoThanks. I didn't realize 'patio11 even has a podcast, I'll definitely want to listen to that one. > Unless of course people talking in any capacity is human interaction sounds, in which case, yes, every podcast is > 90% human interaction sounds. No, I specifically mean all the thing that is not content - hellos, jokes, emoting, interrupting, exchanging filler commentary, etc. It may add character to the show, but from the POV of efficiently summarizing a topic, it's fundamentally even worse than the enterprisey BS fluff in the example in question.
- rsynnott 1y agoYeah, I honestly don't know how anyone can put up with reading this sort of thing, much less have it read to them by a computer(!) I suppose preferences differ, but really, does anyone _like_ this sort of writing style?
- fennecfoxy 1y agoYup, you can always tell LLMs just from the ridiculous output most of the time. Like 8-20 sentences minimum, for the most basic thing. Even Gemini/gpt4o/etc are all guilty of this. Maybe they'll tighten things up at some point - if I ask an assistant a simple question like "is it possible to put apples into a pie?" what I want is "Yes, it is possible to put apples into a pie. Would you like to know more?" But not "Yes, absolutely — putting apples into a pie is not only possible, it's classic! Apple pie is one of the most well-known and traditional fruit pies. Typically, sliced apples are mixed with sugar, cinnamon, nutmeg, and sometimes lemon juice or flour, then baked inside a buttery crust. You can use various types of apples depending on the flavor and texture you want (like Granny Smith for tartness or Honeycrisp for sweetness). Would you like a recipe or tips on which apples work best?" (from gpt4).
- ozim 1y agoPython, a journey that began with an initial commit and evolved through a series of careful refinements to establish a robust foundation for the project.. Wow yeah what a waste. That is exactly the opposite of saving time.