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That's the scattergun controlled approach of seeing like a state - give everyone medication even though it's only some that need it. There's a small percentage

That's the scattergun controlled approach of seeing like a state - give everyone medication even though it's only some that need it. There's a small percentage ruining it for most: a few defectors when most are cooperators. How do we identify the defectors? What do you do if you identify defectors?

Spivak 1y ago
It's maybe inefficient to hotbox everyone but I think I would rather that than give my government the green light to define and identify defectors. If humanity has proven one thing over and over and over again to itself it's that we're terrible at witch hunts.
shiroiuma 1y ago
>There's a small percentage ruining it for most: a few defectors when most are cooperators. >What do you do if you identify defectors? Simple: you put them in charge of the government. That's what we do now, after all.
- gsf_emergency 1y ago
  So we just need to hotbox the people running gov :)
pasquinelli 1y ago
you're being too fixated on individuals. everyone's doing the same thing: avoiding pain, uncertainty, and the limitation of their future choices; seeking pleasure, security, and to increase their future choices. the very few people who aren't doing that don't matter: history unfolds because people do what makes sense for them, not because some don't.
- worthless-trash 1y ago
  I think you're being too fixated on your own perspective. History is nothing but the individual having a large blast radius. History ABSOLUTELY unfolds the way it does because they were tired of being 'taking the reasonable/way that makes sense path'. You can argue that every invention from the wheel forward has had this approach.
  - pasquinelli 1y ago
    > History ABSOLUTELY unfolds the way it does because they were tired of being 'taking the reasonable/way that makes sense path'. i think we're talking at cross purposes. quoting myself: >> ...everyone's doing the same thing: avoiding pain, uncertainty, and the limitation of their future choices; seeking pleasure, security, and to increase their future choices. do you think that doesn't characterize the motivating factors that lead to invention?
    - worthless-trash 1y ago
      Re-reading what was said, I believe we might be cross talking. The 'reasonable way' that most people believe is to 'do it as its always been done'. > do you think that doesn't characterize the motivating factors that lead to invention? We as humans tend to to believe that this is the easiest path. Inventors and innovators are not a majority in the population, often popularized as outcasts or outliers in society through popular story tale. Only in the last few decades has this narrative changed, but I can agree that indirectly yes, these avoid pain, uncertainty and limitation of their future choices.

Spivak 1y ago

It's maybe inefficient to hotbox everyone but I think I would rather that than give my government the green light to define and identify defectors. If humanity has proven one thing over and over and over again to itself it's that we're terrible at witch hunts.

shiroiuma 1y ago

>There's a small percentage ruining it for most: a few defectors when most are cooperators. >What do you do if you identify defectors? Simple: you put them in charge of the government. That's what we do now, after all.

gsf_emergency 1y ago
So we just need to hotbox the people running gov :)

pasquinelli 1y ago

you're being too fixated on individuals. everyone's doing the same thing: avoiding pain, uncertainty, and the limitation of their future choices; seeking pleasure, security, and to increase their future choices. the very few people who aren't doing that don't matter: history unfolds because people do what makes sense for them, not because some don't.

worthless-trash 1y ago
I think you're being too fixated on your own perspective. History is nothing but the individual having a large blast radius. History ABSOLUTELY unfolds the way it does because they were tired of being 'taking the reasonable/way that makes sense path'. You can argue that every invention from the wheel forward has had this approach.
- pasquinelli 1y ago
  > History ABSOLUTELY unfolds the way it does because they were tired of being 'taking the reasonable/way that makes sense path'. i think we're talking at cross purposes. quoting myself: >> ...everyone's doing the same thing: avoiding pain, uncertainty, and the limitation of their future choices; seeking pleasure, security, and to increase their future choices. do you think that doesn't characterize the motivating factors that lead to invention?
  - worthless-trash 1y ago
    Re-reading what was said, I believe we might be cross talking. The 'reasonable way' that most people believe is to 'do it as its always been done'. > do you think that doesn't characterize the motivating factors that lead to invention? We as humans tend to to believe that this is the easiest path. Inventors and innovators are not a majority in the population, often popularized as outcasts or outliers in society through popular story tale. Only in the last few decades has this narrative changed, but I can agree that indirectly yes, these avoid pain, uncertainty and limitation of their future choices.