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First - I really want something like this to exists and be great, so best of luck. As of today I'd consider this or Dokploy (Docker Swarm is underrated). Small

First - I really want something like this to exists and be great, so best of luck. As of today I'd consider this or Dokploy (Docker Swarm is underrated). Small feedback - your "Why you should NOT use Canine" section actually is a net-negative for me. I actually was thinking it was cool that it may actually list downsides, but then you did a sarcastic thing that was annoying. I think you should just be frank - you'll have to purchase and manage servers, you'll be on the hook if they go down and have to get them back up, this is an early product made by one person, etc.

chrisweekly 1y ago
100% agreed on both points.
czhu12 1y ago
Haha, well there goes my attempt to be different from the other landing pages out there. I'll take another stab, but appreciate the feedback!
- 1oooqooq 1y ago
  please keep it. it is awesome (and have to be said)! (but add the critical points too)
- harrisreynolds 1y ago
  Yeah... I like this "Why you should not use Canine" section too. I was just on Posthog's site this morning and saw a similar section... https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/rky248hgutwzzkzwhifxz/posthog-screenshot.png?rlkey=v9ltrh5k1gjgcoz0dw0coycj4&st=fynernfg&dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/rky248hgutwzzkzwhifxz/posthog...
  - nwienert 1y ago
    I'm all for doing it, the problem as-is is there are real downsides to something like Canine especially when it's super early like this. Posthog gets away with it because they aren't alpha (and have better humor, amongst other things). I say keep it, just add some honesty there too.
    - harrisreynolds 1y ago
      Yeah... the Posthog stuff is really funny! :-)
dgellow 1y ago
What’s the state of docker swarm? I stopped following years ago when it felt the software has been abandoned by the docker team
- vbezhenar 1y ago
  It is supported by docker and not abandoned. I just checked latest docker engine release notes and there are multiple fixes and enhancements. Certainly not as popular, compared to Kubernetes, but it is there.
  - horsawlarway 1y ago
    Eh, it's not quite that simple. What the person above you is thinking of is almost certainly "swarm classic" which is actually dead (see: https://github.com/docker-archive/classicswarm https://github.com/docker-archive/classicswarm) Docker does support a different "Swarm mode" style deployment configuration, which is functionally https://github.com/moby/swarmkit https://github.com/moby/swarmkit, and really feels much more like Kubernetes to me than the original docker swarm. I'm... honestly not sure why you'd pick it as a solution over all the k8s tooling they've been doing instead. It feels like the same level of complexity and then only benefit is that it's easier to configure than bare metal k8s, but things like k3s and microk8s tackle that same space. If anyone is really using the swarm mode for a production service, I'd love to hear different opinions, though!
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    - 0xbadcafebee 1y ago
      If I were going to build out bare-metal k8s, I would first try Swarm instead. I would not use k3s or an alternative. The biggest problem with k8s (any version of it) is its overall cost in expertise and maintenance is incredibly high (if you're doing it right; many people are completely ignorant to how terribly they're maintaining it and assume their cost is low). Swarm's cost is going to be significantly smaller, both in the short and long term.

chrisweekly 1y ago

100% agreed on both points.

czhu12 1y ago

Haha, well there goes my attempt to be different from the other landing pages out there. I'll take another stab, but appreciate the feedback!

1oooqooq 1y ago
please keep it. it is awesome (and have to be said)! (but add the critical points too)
harrisreynolds 1y ago
Yeah... I like this "Why you should not use Canine" section too. I was just on Posthog's site this morning and saw a similar section... https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/rky248hgutwzzkzwhifxz/posthog-screenshot.png?rlkey=v9ltrh5k1gjgcoz0dw0coycj4&st=fynernfg&dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/rky248hgutwzzkzwhifxz/posthog...
- nwienert 1y ago
  I'm all for doing it, the problem as-is is there are real downsides to something like Canine especially when it's super early like this. Posthog gets away with it because they aren't alpha (and have better humor, amongst other things). I say keep it, just add some honesty there too.
  - harrisreynolds 1y ago
    Yeah... the Posthog stuff is really funny! :-)

dgellow 1y ago

What’s the state of docker swarm? I stopped following years ago when it felt the software has been abandoned by the docker team

vbezhenar 1y ago
It is supported by docker and not abandoned. I just checked latest docker engine release notes and there are multiple fixes and enhancements. Certainly not as popular, compared to Kubernetes, but it is there.
- horsawlarway 1y ago
  Eh, it's not quite that simple. What the person above you is thinking of is almost certainly "swarm classic" which is actually dead (see: https://github.com/docker-archive/classicswarm https://github.com/docker-archive/classicswarm) Docker does support a different "Swarm mode" style deployment configuration, which is functionally https://github.com/moby/swarmkit https://github.com/moby/swarmkit, and really feels much more like Kubernetes to me than the original docker swarm. I'm... honestly not sure why you'd pick it as a solution over all the k8s tooling they've been doing instead. It feels like the same level of complexity and then only benefit is that it's easier to configure than bare metal k8s, but things like k3s and microk8s tackle that same space. If anyone is really using the swarm mode for a production service, I'd love to hear different opinions, though!
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  - 0xbadcafebee 1y ago
    If I were going to build out bare-metal k8s, I would first try Swarm instead. I would not use k3s or an alternative. The biggest problem with k8s (any version of it) is its overall cost in expertise and maintenance is incredibly high (if you're doing it right; many people are completely ignorant to how terribly they're maintaining it and assume their cost is low). Swarm's cost is going to be significantly smaller, both in the short and long term.