And more evidence to add to the server-does-negotiated-SSL-but-client-is-doing-implicit-SSL pile is this: * https://marc.info/?l=opensmtpd-misc&m=1415436221032

And more evidence to add to the server-does-negotiated-SSL-but-client-is-doing-implicit-SSL pile is this: * https://marc.info/?l=opensmtpd-misc&m=141543622103232&w=2 https://marc.info/?l=opensmtpd-misc&m=141543622103232&w=2 Coincidentally, I was just talking about the mess that SMTP got into with all this. * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44285357 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44285357