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> where people don't do what they can to make money or increase the value of what they have for personal economic benefit. That wasn't the argument. You've mov

> where people don't do what they can to make money or increase the value of what they have for personal economic benefit. That wasn't the argument. You've moved the goalposts to a different stadium. What was claimed was that "milking every dollar out of anything valuable is burned into people's souls", and somehow, from that, you heard "people do what they can to make money for personal economic benefit". Curious. > Americans are no less or more human than anyone else No one said Americans aren't human, or less human. > this idiotic posturing about some inherent difference No one said it was inherent. In fact I said the opposite; that people are generally egalitarian unless warped. > that makes one group of people or country somehow stupider, more wicked or more avaricious than others is a bad habit Nope. Countries have different characters, and it's okay to talk about it. Also, some countries - cough - have extremely powerful and capable groups that have been working for decades to warp the national character; say, by instilling rampant Islamophobia, or working to undermine critical thinking and general education. I hope you ask yourself how you got this much wrong on a reading of a rather simple comment. Something clearly hit a nerve.

southernplaces7 1y ago
>What was claimed was that "milking every dollar out of anything valuable is burned into people's souls", and somehow, from that, you heard "people do what they can to make money for personal economic benefit". Both things are in most cases essentially the same, and a person trying to get every possible dollar out of anything valuable for their personal gain indeed doing what they can to make money for themselves. This is in my experience a habit not at all unique to Americans.. That aside, you generalized about America, to a degree that's absurd for a nation of roughly 320 million people, which also happens to be one of the top countries in the world for charitable giving on a per capita basis and in absolute terms. So yes, countries can have different tendencies in certain ways, and it's possible for the narrative that people in a country buy to be warped by political interests, but even in these cases, generalization is stupid, and so too is giving a particular, fashionable focus to making americans seem to be particularly warped people about this. Do you perhaps speak as a European? There's a continent riddled with simmering racism and many of its own social problems. If you're from any number of other parts of the world, feel free to make some concrete argument for why their people are in any way less subject to personal greed, or propaganda or failures of critical thinking. I see no evidence of it. Nationalist idiocies, racist tendencies, propagandistic narratives and bad economic habits abount just about everywhere in the world, and in some countries much worse than in the United States, which itself has no shortage of differing opinions and critical thinkers. It also (at least until the current orangutan came to power, again,) has historically been one of the most welcoming countries on earth for immigrants from nearly anywhere, including Islamic countries. Again, generalizing about this country is plainly mistaken and easily at risk of being downright stupid if done out of ideological spite.
- riehwvfbk 1y ago
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  - mandmandam 1y ago
    Further evidenced by the ridiculous claim that America was "one of the most welcoming countries on earth" before Trump - as if Harris didn't just run on a platform of being harsher on immigrants than Trump, or as if Biden didn't deport more immigrants than anyone ever before, or as if Obama wasn't nicknamed the deporter-in-chief, or as if every Dem admin for 17 years hasn't increased ICE funding.
    - southernplaces7 1y ago
      You do know how to distinguish between the number of legal immigrants a country lets in and facilitates entry for vs their efforts at stopping illegal migrants? I have my many criticisms of US immigration policy and how its ICE agency manages its part of that, but lets compare apples to apples before throwing shit on the whole bowl of fruit. Also, just like the U.S, many other countries (including Mexico itself by the way) enforce deportations, border controls and militarized border security against illegal migrants. It's nothing unique to the United States. The current administration has skewed the trend with its harsh rhetoric and anti-migrant policing drives but yeah, there's no shortage of documented evidence showing that the U.S. has a long history of being exceptionally welcoming to immigrants by global average standards. It's a country literally built by them, whose demographic reflects this across the board as it does in only a few other countries worldwide.
      - mandmandam 1y ago
        > lets compare apples to apples Yes, let's compare the Democrats immigration policy to that of other developed countries. Which countries are separating kids from their parents in their thousands, caging them in mesh, giving them foil sheets to sleep under, making them drink toilet water, and then losing track of them completely? Name one other. > It's nothing unique to the United States ... US immigration policy is uniquely cruel, and racist, including when Democrats are in power. > there's no shortage of documented evidence showing that the U.S. has a long history of being exceptionally welcoming to immigrants by global average standards Every American is an immigrant, unless you're native American (who were genocided over hundreds of years). So, yeah I guess so. Doesn't really affect the current topic though. > It's a country literally built by them I think you're thinking of slaves. It was built by slaves first, and then immigrants. > whose demographic reflects this across the board as it does in only a few other countries worldwide. ... And? For the last couple decades, US immigration policy has been one of bipartisan brutality and atrocity. It's nice that America was a melting pot for the world; it's cool that there's a mixed demographic (though I don't know how cool actual native Americans are with it all). I love the Statue of Liberty and the poem under her - but that welcoming spirit isn't reflected in modern American policy, and hasn't been for quite some time. Everything Trump is doing now is simply an extension of policies laid over the last few decades by both Democrats and Republicans. If Americans refuse to acknowledge that then the problem is never going to be fixed.

southernplaces7 1y ago

>What was claimed was that "milking every dollar out of anything valuable is burned into people's souls", and somehow, from that, you heard "people do what they can to make money for personal economic benefit". Both things are in most cases essentially the same, and a person trying to get every possible dollar out of anything valuable for their personal gain indeed doing what they can to make money for themselves. This is in my experience a habit not at all unique to Americans.. That aside, you generalized about America, to a degree that's absurd for a nation of roughly 320 million people, which also happens to be one of the top countries in the world for charitable giving on a per capita basis and in absolute terms. So yes, countries can have different tendencies in certain ways, and it's possible for the narrative that people in a country buy to be warped by political interests, but even in these cases, generalization is stupid, and so too is giving a particular, fashionable focus to making americans seem to be particularly warped people about this. Do you perhaps speak as a European? There's a continent riddled with simmering racism and many of its own social problems. If you're from any number of other parts of the world, feel free to make some concrete argument for why their people are in any way less subject to personal greed, or propaganda or failures of critical thinking. I see no evidence of it. Nationalist idiocies, racist tendencies, propagandistic narratives and bad economic habits abount just about everywhere in the world, and in some countries much worse than in the United States, which itself has no shortage of differing opinions and critical thinkers. It also (at least until the current orangutan came to power, again,) has historically been one of the most welcoming countries on earth for immigrants from nearly anywhere, including Islamic countries. Again, generalizing about this country is plainly mistaken and easily at risk of being downright stupid if done out of ideological spite.

riehwvfbk 1y ago
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- mandmandam 1y ago
  Further evidenced by the ridiculous claim that America was "one of the most welcoming countries on earth" before Trump - as if Harris didn't just run on a platform of being harsher on immigrants than Trump, or as if Biden didn't deport more immigrants than anyone ever before, or as if Obama wasn't nicknamed the deporter-in-chief, or as if every Dem admin for 17 years hasn't increased ICE funding.
  - southernplaces7 1y ago
    You do know how to distinguish between the number of legal immigrants a country lets in and facilitates entry for vs their efforts at stopping illegal migrants? I have my many criticisms of US immigration policy and how its ICE agency manages its part of that, but lets compare apples to apples before throwing shit on the whole bowl of fruit. Also, just like the U.S, many other countries (including Mexico itself by the way) enforce deportations, border controls and militarized border security against illegal migrants. It's nothing unique to the United States. The current administration has skewed the trend with its harsh rhetoric and anti-migrant policing drives but yeah, there's no shortage of documented evidence showing that the U.S. has a long history of being exceptionally welcoming to immigrants by global average standards. It's a country literally built by them, whose demographic reflects this across the board as it does in only a few other countries worldwide.
    - mandmandam 1y ago
      > lets compare apples to apples Yes, let's compare the Democrats immigration policy to that of other developed countries. Which countries are separating kids from their parents in their thousands, caging them in mesh, giving them foil sheets to sleep under, making them drink toilet water, and then losing track of them completely? Name one other. > It's nothing unique to the United States ... US immigration policy is uniquely cruel, and racist, including when Democrats are in power. > there's no shortage of documented evidence showing that the U.S. has a long history of being exceptionally welcoming to immigrants by global average standards Every American is an immigrant, unless you're native American (who were genocided over hundreds of years). So, yeah I guess so. Doesn't really affect the current topic though. > It's a country literally built by them I think you're thinking of slaves. It was built by slaves first, and then immigrants. > whose demographic reflects this across the board as it does in only a few other countries worldwide. ... And? For the last couple decades, US immigration policy has been one of bipartisan brutality and atrocity. It's nice that America was a melting pot for the world; it's cool that there's a mixed demographic (though I don't know how cool actual native Americans are with it all). I love the Statue of Liberty and the poem under her - but that welcoming spirit isn't reflected in modern American policy, and hasn't been for quite some time. Everything Trump is doing now is simply an extension of policies laid over the last few decades by both Democrats and Republicans. If Americans refuse to acknowledge that then the problem is never going to be fixed.