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If you force the federal minimum wage to be $15 for the entire country - we're only exporting more jobs to other countries - nearly instantly. I do believe tha

If you force the federal minimum wage to be $15 for the entire country - we're only exporting more jobs to other countries - nearly instantly. I do believe that Tariffs should actually be determined by wage disparity. So if the US can make a paper plate for $0.01 each, but China can make it for $0.00001, then the Tariff for the paper plate should just be $0.01 - $0.00001. That way both plates are sell-able for the same price.

notyourwork 1y ago
Who can afford to live on $15/hr, let alone less?
- almosthere 1y ago
  People that need a job but can't get a $15 one or hold it steady enough. You end up with roommates or living with mom, but you can live off that.
  - johnnyanmac 1y ago
    Who's getting approved for a house @ $15 an hour? And now you're hoping your parents can support you as if everyone has a healthy family life. As a not-so-fun fact, many homeless people were orphans aged out of the system. They end up straight on the streets.
tptacek 1y ago
The paper doesn't appear to advocate for a federal minimum wage.
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lesuorac 1y ago
Who determines the price that you can make a paper plate at?
johnnyanmac 1y ago
People always says this, but the impact in CA's minimum wage increases never happens. Turns out jobs woth minimum wage aren't ones you can easily outsource at this point.
- aerostable_slug 1y ago
  That opinion is not universal: https://californiaglobe.com/fr/californias-20-fast-food-minimum-wage-job-losses-higher-food-prices-increased-automation/ https://californiaglobe.com/fr/californias-20-fast-food-mini...
  - johnnyanmac 1y ago
    >outside of a recession Well that's already the first problem.
glitchc 1y ago
You do realize you just advocated for a 100,000% tariff on paper plates, right? Here everyone is shitting the bed at 100% and 150% values.
BurningFrog 1y ago
This system ends up with very high tariffs and prices on things like coffee and bananas, which can only be produced in the US at very high cost. This system optimizes for some kind of "fairness" between producers, rather than living standard for consumers. In reality, everyone is best of if things are produced where they can be made most effectively.
- int_19h 1y ago
  In reality, "best if things are produced where they can be made most effectively" is usually a roundabout way to say "best if things are produced by the labor whom we can get away with paying as little as possible". Hence, outsourcing to countries where you can get away with smaller wages because the overall living standard is lower there and/or because the labor laws are non-existent or not enforced. But it's the same exact thing, just on a larger scale - you're still inherently relying on some people somewhere having a significantly lower quality of life than us to be able to exploit them like that.

notyourwork 1y ago

Who can afford to live on $15/hr, let alone less?

almosthere 1y ago
People that need a job but can't get a $15 one or hold it steady enough. You end up with roommates or living with mom, but you can live off that.
- johnnyanmac 1y ago
  Who's getting approved for a house @ $15 an hour? And now you're hoping your parents can support you as if everyone has a healthy family life. As a not-so-fun fact, many homeless people were orphans aged out of the system. They end up straight on the streets.

tptacek 1y ago

The paper doesn't appear to advocate for a federal minimum wage.

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lesuorac 1y ago

Who determines the price that you can make a paper plate at?

johnnyanmac 1y ago

People always says this, but the impact in CA's minimum wage increases never happens. Turns out jobs woth minimum wage aren't ones you can easily outsource at this point.

aerostable_slug 1y ago
That opinion is not universal: https://californiaglobe.com/fr/californias-20-fast-food-minimum-wage-job-losses-higher-food-prices-increased-automation/ https://californiaglobe.com/fr/californias-20-fast-food-mini...
- johnnyanmac 1y ago
  >outside of a recession Well that's already the first problem.

glitchc 1y ago

You do realize you just advocated for a 100,000% tariff on paper plates, right? Here everyone is shitting the bed at 100% and 150% values.

BurningFrog 1y ago

This system ends up with very high tariffs and prices on things like coffee and bananas, which can only be produced in the US at very high cost. This system optimizes for some kind of "fairness" between producers, rather than living standard for consumers. In reality, everyone is best of if things are produced where they can be made most effectively.

int_19h 1y ago
In reality, "best if things are produced where they can be made most effectively" is usually a roundabout way to say "best if things are produced by the labor whom we can get away with paying as little as possible". Hence, outsourcing to countries where you can get away with smaller wages because the overall living standard is lower there and/or because the labor laws are non-existent or not enforced. But it's the same exact thing, just on a larger scale - you're still inherently relying on some people somewhere having a significantly lower quality of life than us to be able to exploit them like that.