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The East Asian high-rise development model is catastrophic for birth rates

16 points by ilamont 1y ago

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PaulHoule 1y ago
I've been saying this for years but nobody listens. I mean, you have kids because you feel lonely and take a lover. From an evolutionary psychology viewpoint people should be less interested in having children if they feel crowded. The literature is ambivalent on the topic though: https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/225997 https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/225997 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1340041/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1340041/ https://www.milbank.org/wp-content/uploads/mq/volume-54/issue-03/54-3-Crowding-and-Human-Reproduction.pdf https://www.milbank.org/wp-content/uploads/mq/volume-54/issu...
garbagecoder 1y ago
This comment section is going to fill up with urbanist walls of texts in 5... 4...
mixmastamyk 1y ago
Good, we don’t need any more people. There’s over 8 billion already, and that’s enough. I’m always surprised when I hear the too common refrain that birth rates are too low.
- PaulHoule 1y ago
  Are you willing to sign your right away to a pension?
  - mixmastamyk 1y ago
    Don’t have one. Not all pensions are pyramid schemes. Further, flat growth would be acceptable if that is your primary concern.
    - PaulHoule 1y ago
      Flat population would be fine with me, declining population makes many things unmanageable as would a rapidly increasing population.
      - mixmastamyk 1y ago
        Fortunately there's no risk of declining population, except in rare/brief circumstances. Why alarmism over falling birthrates is misplaced.
    - RestlessMind 1y ago
      Genuine question - what is your retirement plan? I have seriously looked and didn't find one yet which doesn't need population growth and/or productivity growth.
      - PaulHoule 1y ago
        One way or another there is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dependency_ratio https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dependency_ratio and it affects all the ways you might retire, no matter if it is "my children will take care of me", "my government will take care of me", "my mutual funds will take care of me". The situation gets more favorable with more population/economic growth, is difficult in the steady state, and is atrocious in a state of decline. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan%27s_Run_(film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan%27s_Run_(film)
      - mixmastamyk 1y ago
        My personal plan, or one for everyone? I don’t have a pension. I do have a 401k/ira, and would prefer my social security taxes were in there as well. Lower population would help the housing crisis, which is a huge tax on everyone. Own a home and a garden.

16 points by ilamont 1y ago

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I've been saying this for years but nobody listens. I mean, you have kids because you feel lonely and take a lover. From an evolutionary psychology viewpoint people should be less interested in having children if they feel crowded. The literature is ambivalent on the topic though: https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/225997 https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/225997 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1340041/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1340041/ https://www.milbank.org/wp-content/uploads/mq/volume-54/issue-03/54-3-Crowding-and-Human-Reproduction.pdf https://www.milbank.org/wp-content/uploads/mq/volume-54/issu...

garbagecoder 1y ago

This comment section is going to fill up with urbanist walls of texts in 5... 4...

mixmastamyk 1y ago

Good, we don’t need any more people. There’s over 8 billion already, and that’s enough. I’m always surprised when I hear the too common refrain that birth rates are too low.

PaulHoule 1y ago
Are you willing to sign your right away to a pension?
- mixmastamyk 1y ago
  Don’t have one. Not all pensions are pyramid schemes. Further, flat growth would be acceptable if that is your primary concern.
  - PaulHoule 1y ago
    Flat population would be fine with me, declining population makes many things unmanageable as would a rapidly increasing population.
    - mixmastamyk 1y ago
      Fortunately there's no risk of declining population, except in rare/brief circumstances. Why alarmism over falling birthrates is misplaced.
  - RestlessMind 1y ago
    Genuine question - what is your retirement plan? I have seriously looked and didn't find one yet which doesn't need population growth and/or productivity growth.
    - PaulHoule 1y ago
      One way or another there is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dependency_ratio https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dependency_ratio and it affects all the ways you might retire, no matter if it is "my children will take care of me", "my government will take care of me", "my mutual funds will take care of me". The situation gets more favorable with more population/economic growth, is difficult in the steady state, and is atrocious in a state of decline. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan%27s_Run_(film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan%27s_Run_(film)
    - mixmastamyk 1y ago
      My personal plan, or one for everyone? I don’t have a pension. I do have a 401k/ira, and would prefer my social security taxes were in there as well. Lower population would help the housing crisis, which is a huge tax on everyone. Own a home and a garden.