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Iran just withdrew from the NPT. So once again, your high minded ideas don’t have any basis in reality. This comes on the heels of the IAEA finally deciding to

Iran just withdrew from the NPT. So once again, your high minded ideas don’t have any basis in reality. This comes on the heels of the IAEA finally deciding to acknowledge the reality that Iran has not been in compliance for quite a while. Meanwhile you felt your personal opinion should be what decides the fate of half the world’s Jews.

runarberg 1y ago
I wasn’t going to engage with you further since you’ve gone pretty far into personal attacks against me, but I do need to correct this. Iran has not (as of today) withdrawn from the non-proliferation treaty. All that has happened (as of now) is that the Iranian parliament is currently preparing a bill to withdraw, nothing more. Parliament will have to introduce and approve it, and the government will need to enforce it before Iran finally withdraws, and we don‘t know whether any of that will happen. Iran’s current government (including the foreign ministry) is on record being against nuclear weapons, and the Supreme leader seems pretty much against them, whether or not that is a lie remains to be seen. https://thearabweekly.com/iran-threatens-leave-nuclear-non-proliferation-treaty https://thearabweekly.com/iran-threatens-leave-nuclear-non-p... Aside: The above link provides a calm summary of version events since USA withdrew from JCPOA, including the fact that Iran was in compliance until 2019; I advice you to read it and reevaluate your stance against treaties as an effective way to disarm states. What I am arguing here is that the fact that a nuclear armed nation is now attacking Iran will increase the probability that Iran will eventually get nuclear weapons, while negotiating a treaty will do the opposite. Israel is definitely showing Iran a good reason for pursue nuclear weapons, and the military hawks inside Iran’s leadership definitely have a much stronger case now. Hopefully they will still fail at convincing the supreme leader of taking further steps in acquiring them, and remaining a member of the non-proliferation treaty. Finally, a question. You seem to not believe that treaties are an effective way to disarm states. Why do you care whether or not Iran is a member of the non-proliferation treaty? According to your beliefs, it wouldn’t matter either way. Iran would be equally likely to get the bomb inside or outside the non-proliferation treaty.
- amendegree 1y ago
  I haven’t personally attacked anyone. I pointed out some egregious behavior you engaged in and suggested that you refrain from doing that in the future. But it seems even in this comment you again engaged in that same bigoted behavior. It’s very disappointing. I’m really sorry that it’s so difficult for you to discuss a topic without showing extreme prejudice and in some cases outright hostility. Again this is not a personal attack, but rather me calling out inappropriate and offensive language. I will engage one last time but I caution you to please reconsider your approach. If you continue to make such racist comments I will simply leave the conversation as I don’t like interacting with hateful people. The article you shared is from a publication that ain’t known for fair and balanced coverage, but even there they admit that Iran pursuing nuclear power has pushed SA to do the same. Once again showing that it’s not about how many countries maintain nuclear capability but rather how stable their governments are. Belaying the fact that treaties are basically meaningless unless everyone else believes you will keep to them. And guess what, the majority of humanity believes Iran will not keep its word on anything. Even today they were shouting “Death To America, Death to Israel”. A people screaming for blood should be believed not coddled, especially when they openly act out those calls for mass murder. So far they’ve attacked multiple large apartment buildings and a school for mentally impaired children none of which were anywhere near any military targets.
  - dttze 1y ago
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  - runarberg 1y ago
    For the record, this is what the experts are saying now: > For #Israel to attack #Iran including its nuclear facilities (prohibited by international law) and for #Trump to ask Iran for “total surrender” and forgo a treaty right (uranium enrichment) in a clear act of national humiliation, on suspicion that it is developing nuclear weapons (possessed by both #Israel and #US), suspicion that does not constitute an “imminent threat” as confirmed by all western intelligence agencies and was dealt with through negotiations in #JCPOA agreement of 2015 which the US withdrew from in 2018 > To rely on force and not negotiations is a sure way to destroy the #NPT and the nuclear non proliferation regime (imperfect as it is) and sends a clear message to many countries that their “ultimate security” is to develop nuclear weapons !!! https://x.com/ElBaradei/status/1935041599605539211 https://x.com/ElBaradei/status/1935041599605539211 ElBaradei won the Nobel Price in 2005 for his work on nuclear non-proliferation. I‘m pretty sure he knows more about this than you or I.

runarberg 1y ago

I wasn’t going to engage with you further since you’ve gone pretty far into personal attacks against me, but I do need to correct this. Iran has not (as of today) withdrawn from the non-proliferation treaty. All that has happened (as of now) is that the Iranian parliament is currently preparing a bill to withdraw, nothing more. Parliament will have to introduce and approve it, and the government will need to enforce it before Iran finally withdraws, and we don‘t know whether any of that will happen. Iran’s current government (including the foreign ministry) is on record being against nuclear weapons, and the Supreme leader seems pretty much against them, whether or not that is a lie remains to be seen. https://thearabweekly.com/iran-threatens-leave-nuclear-non-proliferation-treaty https://thearabweekly.com/iran-threatens-leave-nuclear-non-p... Aside: The above link provides a calm summary of version events since USA withdrew from JCPOA, including the fact that Iran was in compliance until 2019; I advice you to read it and reevaluate your stance against treaties as an effective way to disarm states. What I am arguing here is that the fact that a nuclear armed nation is now attacking Iran will increase the probability that Iran will eventually get nuclear weapons, while negotiating a treaty will do the opposite. Israel is definitely showing Iran a good reason for pursue nuclear weapons, and the military hawks inside Iran’s leadership definitely have a much stronger case now. Hopefully they will still fail at convincing the supreme leader of taking further steps in acquiring them, and remaining a member of the non-proliferation treaty. Finally, a question. You seem to not believe that treaties are an effective way to disarm states. Why do you care whether or not Iran is a member of the non-proliferation treaty? According to your beliefs, it wouldn’t matter either way. Iran would be equally likely to get the bomb inside or outside the non-proliferation treaty.

amendegree 1y ago
I haven’t personally attacked anyone. I pointed out some egregious behavior you engaged in and suggested that you refrain from doing that in the future. But it seems even in this comment you again engaged in that same bigoted behavior. It’s very disappointing. I’m really sorry that it’s so difficult for you to discuss a topic without showing extreme prejudice and in some cases outright hostility. Again this is not a personal attack, but rather me calling out inappropriate and offensive language. I will engage one last time but I caution you to please reconsider your approach. If you continue to make such racist comments I will simply leave the conversation as I don’t like interacting with hateful people. The article you shared is from a publication that ain’t known for fair and balanced coverage, but even there they admit that Iran pursuing nuclear power has pushed SA to do the same. Once again showing that it’s not about how many countries maintain nuclear capability but rather how stable their governments are. Belaying the fact that treaties are basically meaningless unless everyone else believes you will keep to them. And guess what, the majority of humanity believes Iran will not keep its word on anything. Even today they were shouting “Death To America, Death to Israel”. A people screaming for blood should be believed not coddled, especially when they openly act out those calls for mass murder. So far they’ve attacked multiple large apartment buildings and a school for mentally impaired children none of which were anywhere near any military targets.
- dttze 1y ago
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- runarberg 1y ago
  For the record, this is what the experts are saying now: > For #Israel to attack #Iran including its nuclear facilities (prohibited by international law) and for #Trump to ask Iran for “total surrender” and forgo a treaty right (uranium enrichment) in a clear act of national humiliation, on suspicion that it is developing nuclear weapons (possessed by both #Israel and #US), suspicion that does not constitute an “imminent threat” as confirmed by all western intelligence agencies and was dealt with through negotiations in #JCPOA agreement of 2015 which the US withdrew from in 2018 > To rely on force and not negotiations is a sure way to destroy the #NPT and the nuclear non proliferation regime (imperfect as it is) and sends a clear message to many countries that their “ultimate security” is to develop nuclear weapons !!! https://x.com/ElBaradei/status/1935041599605539211 https://x.com/ElBaradei/status/1935041599605539211 ElBaradei won the Nobel Price in 2005 for his work on nuclear non-proliferation. I‘m pretty sure he knows more about this than you or I.