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Notice how pretty much none of these are added in the last 10 years? Android's become 'more mature' - ie. Boring, and the joke to code ratio is dropping rapidl

Notice how pretty much none of these are added in the last 10 years? Android's become 'more mature' - ie. Boring, and the joke to code ratio is dropping rapidly.

aaronbrethorst 1y ago
Good, I hate ‘funny’ code. Just get to the point, I’m not here for someone’s notionally hilarious inside joke from 18 years ago.
- girvo 1y ago
  Ah I see you're one of those who would enable `UserManager.DISALLOW_FUN`! I personally quite enjoy a bit of whimsy in code. What we do (mostly) isn't that serious (modulo those, including me once upon a time, who work on literal life and death software)
  - jrockway 1y ago
    I agree with you. The dinosaur game in Chrome is the classic example; turned off because schools threatened to not buy Chromebooks if kids could play a game in the browser. At least it seems to be a setting now, so your individual locality can decide if fun is allowed.
    - joshstrange 1y ago
      That’s quite different from what we’re talking about though. That’s adding games or fun into your product whereas in this specific sub-thread we’re talking about naming code concepts (functions, classes, variables, enums, etc) funny things.
      - notpushkin 1y ago
        When you’re building an API, it is your product.
        potatolicious 1y ago
        Not to mention even just this article exposed a just-for-fun API that ended up having a negative effect and had to be removed: `isUserAGoat` ended up allowing any caller to determine if a specific app is installed on the system, which is a privacy violation and allows fingerprinting against the user's consent. I get the desire to make the job more fun than just implementing a spec, but many of the things we work on are very important and very complex, with oodles of real-world consequences. That unfortunately means everything we do has to be well-considered and not off-the-cuff.
        pineappletooth 1y ago
        Well it was not an issue back then since any app was able to query certain arbitrary specific apps (and yes some apps used to query a big list). They disabled the "fun" function in android 11 with the arrive of the QUERY_ALL_PACKAGES permission.
  - nlnn 1y ago
    I don't mind either personally, but I've had a few occasions where such things have caused issues with engineers that didn't have English as a 1st language. A fair bit of time was wasted on trying to understand some joke/pun code and variable names, and on another occasion, spending the best part of a day working on something because they took some sarcasm in code/comments literally.
    - nick__m 1y ago
      English is not my native language yet I love pun and joke in doc. If those hypothetical developers are wasting time on this, maybe they should just get better at English because there are important nuances that will fly over theirs head.
  - izacus 1y ago
    I think that's a big line between people who work as software engineers becuase they enjoy the work and want to build something and folks who go there to punch the ticket and run back home as soon as possible. The second group doesn't want to deal with "all the fun crap" and "distractions" that stand in the way of them marking a bug fixed (or, god forbid, actually getting extra bugs/work assigned because some "fun" code might break or cause confusion). As teams and companies grow, the second group usually outgrows the first and the first group moves on to reform into smaller teams working on something else again.
    - sdeframond 1y ago
      Things that seem fun when they are written are often not much so a few years later, without the initial context, when trying to actually "build something". Fun is good when it is fresh. Fossilized fun is not that fun. It is more like that uncle who heavily tries to be fun at family parties.
      - owebmaster 1y ago
        Google is not fun and people that try to be funny from Google are cringe
        salawat 1y ago
        The young one speaks with enlightenment beyond their years. If only we could all be so blessed.
        thorin 1y ago
        Harking back to the days when people at Apple, Microsoft, Google and Bell Labs had fun. It really happened, allegedly!
        acheron 1y ago
        Right? I like jokes in programming. I do not like jokes coming from the evil dystopian megacorp that ruined the Internet.
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- ramon156 1y ago
  Live a little. When you've passed away, was all the seriousness paid off? That said, funny code should still work
  - magospietato 1y ago
    There's a middle ground for sure. I've left a few witty comments and loglines in my time. But I've also had to debug a Delphi unit which returned error codes inspired by the magical supercomputer Hex from the Discworld novels. "Divide by cucumber error" is not a decent enough representation of a module's internal state, no matter how funny you think you are.
    - tikhonj 1y ago
      But a wholly non-funny "Invariant Violated" message would be no better. The problem isn't that the message is funny, but that it does not contain the information you need to understand what's going on. The whimsy is just a distraction.
      - eptcyka 1y ago
        Do you find that distracting things help you debug shoddy code?
        arccy 1y ago
        if "divide by cucumber" is a unique string in the code base, then yes?
        wiseowise 1y ago
        Right. And how many of those can your brain fit?
        maccard 1y ago
        Doesn’t matter. The important thing is that I can look them up or resolve them easily. Without looking it up can you tell me the difference between HTTP 451 and 510? If not they’re no more useful than I’m a teapot. But I can identify both of those uniquely and figure out where they’re coming from.
- joshstrange 1y ago
  I couldn’t agree more. I work in a codebase that has a handful of these “fun”-named functions/concepts and I hate it. It wasn’t funny the first time I came across it (just very confusing) and it’s not fun having to explain to new hires why a few things are named the way they are. It needlessly complicates reading/following the code. Even if you explain the naming back at where you define the function/variable it add an extra click-through/hover to read that and an extra translation you have to do in your head when you read the “fun” variable name in the future. One example is we have a flag called “dinnerbell”. What does that do? It tells the server receiving that flag to “come and get it”, “it” being the full data object instead of just getting a delta. It could have been called a whole slew of other things that would make more sense.
- dkersten 1y ago
  Me too. Professional code isn’t the right place to insert your personality or sense of humour.
- outime 1y ago
  It's even worse when you stumble upon a repo with already poor documentation, only to find it filled with silly jokes e.g. "You thought this would be easy, right? Well, that's what X thought too, but..." yeah, leave the storytelling aside please.
  - account42 1y ago
    You can always ask for a refund.
- bmitc 1y ago
  I am in this camp as well. Even worse are cute error messages. If software actually worked, then I'd be fine with more whimsy. But it doesn't, so I'm not.
  - doright 1y ago
    I remember when the Steam "login from a new computer" auth flow shoved a big "Hi there!" in user's faces the moment it blocked access to their entire online functionality until they left to get a code from their email and came back. Sometime later they removed it and now it's just "please look for the confirmation code sent to <address>". I think in the push to make computing "friendlier" by dressing up error messages, past a certain point they began to come off as condescending. I wish modern UX could focus on working for me instead of trying to be my friend all the time.
  - account42 1y ago
    The cute error messages are annoying because they hide what actually happened, not because they are trying to be funny. They are also usually not the result of a single developer's whimsy like a proper easter egg is so they end up being as "funny" as a shitty sitcom with a forced laugh track.
anal_reactor 1y ago
I've noticed that modern life is in general less fun than it was 10 years ago. It might be me getting older, but I'm sure there are bigger societal changes too. BTW I used to browse tcrf.net and it was so interesting that video game developers would leave pieces of themselves in their work. Love letters, old memes, angry letters, random shit, whatever. Meanwhile modern programming is all about pRoFeSsIoAnALisM and MaXiMiZiNg PrOdUcTiViTy at all costs.
- NewsaHackO 1y ago
  Yes, it like a rite of passage from a startup to “mature” company. It’s like Google’s or Reddit’s April Fools jokes. Actually, the novelty of April fools jokes can probably be a KPI of how corporatized a company is.
- Sebb767 1y ago
  > BTW I used to browse tcrf.net and it was so interesting that video game developers would leave pieces of themselves in their work. Love letters, old memes, angry letters, random shit, whatever. This is quite dependent on the games you play. Modern games are becoming larger, which makes the project overall more serious and makes it harder to hide easter eggs. That being said, Indie games with small teams still contain a lot of fun and even AAAs can still contain some goodies.
- saidinesh5 1y ago
  I think it really is up to us to make things as fun as we want to see... There may be more minefields as we grow old (Can a senior pull a harmless prank on newly joined juniors without coming off as mean/threatening?), but at the same time these little joke comments/commit messages, pranks etc.. are what brought people closer together in every place I worked at so far... I mean what other choice do we really have? let the fun police win?
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rendaw 1y ago
If you're 10 hours into debugging something, or you're swamped with a horde of bug reports and bad reviews, and after digging in you find the bug is in upstream code laced with humor, it comes off as if upstream isn't serious about software development or is making light of the responsibility. Lots of things start small, but X11, Android, etc etc are now used by millions, in lots of different situations, and humor is highly contextual.
- kube-system 1y ago
  > humor is highly contextual. This is key. Writing jokes is easy, but it is much harder to guarantee that your joke is only displayed in appropriate contexts in the future. When what the author thought was a witty joke shows up in a new and inappropriate context, they no longer look very witty, but instead like a fool. What is funny in developer documentation on a normal Tuesday might not be funny in a negative article on the front page of the Wall Street Journal.
- account42 1y ago
  Sounds like a problem for outrage culture grumps, not something people having fun with their code should care about.

Notice how pretty much none of these are added in the last 10 years? Android's become 'more mature' - ie. Boring, and the joke to code ratio is dropping rapidly.

aaronbrethorst 1y ago

Good, I hate ‘funny’ code. Just get to the point, I’m not here for someone’s notionally hilarious inside joke from 18 years ago.

girvo 1y ago
Ah I see you're one of those who would enable `UserManager.DISALLOW_FUN`! I personally quite enjoy a bit of whimsy in code. What we do (mostly) isn't that serious (modulo those, including me once upon a time, who work on literal life and death software)
- jrockway 1y ago
  I agree with you. The dinosaur game in Chrome is the classic example; turned off because schools threatened to not buy Chromebooks if kids could play a game in the browser. At least it seems to be a setting now, so your individual locality can decide if fun is allowed.
  - joshstrange 1y ago
    That’s quite different from what we’re talking about though. That’s adding games or fun into your product whereas in this specific sub-thread we’re talking about naming code concepts (functions, classes, variables, enums, etc) funny things.
    - notpushkin 1y ago
      When you’re building an API, it is your product.
      - potatolicious 1y ago
        Not to mention even just this article exposed a just-for-fun API that ended up having a negative effect and had to be removed: `isUserAGoat` ended up allowing any caller to determine if a specific app is installed on the system, which is a privacy violation and allows fingerprinting against the user's consent. I get the desire to make the job more fun than just implementing a spec, but many of the things we work on are very important and very complex, with oodles of real-world consequences. That unfortunately means everything we do has to be well-considered and not off-the-cuff.
        pineappletooth 1y ago
        Well it was not an issue back then since any app was able to query certain arbitrary specific apps (and yes some apps used to query a big list). They disabled the "fun" function in android 11 with the arrive of the QUERY_ALL_PACKAGES permission.
- nlnn 1y ago
  I don't mind either personally, but I've had a few occasions where such things have caused issues with engineers that didn't have English as a 1st language. A fair bit of time was wasted on trying to understand some joke/pun code and variable names, and on another occasion, spending the best part of a day working on something because they took some sarcasm in code/comments literally.
  - nick__m 1y ago
    English is not my native language yet I love pun and joke in doc. If those hypothetical developers are wasting time on this, maybe they should just get better at English because there are important nuances that will fly over theirs head.
- izacus 1y ago
  I think that's a big line between people who work as software engineers becuase they enjoy the work and want to build something and folks who go there to punch the ticket and run back home as soon as possible. The second group doesn't want to deal with "all the fun crap" and "distractions" that stand in the way of them marking a bug fixed (or, god forbid, actually getting extra bugs/work assigned because some "fun" code might break or cause confusion). As teams and companies grow, the second group usually outgrows the first and the first group moves on to reform into smaller teams working on something else again.
  - sdeframond 1y ago
    Things that seem fun when they are written are often not much so a few years later, without the initial context, when trying to actually "build something". Fun is good when it is fresh. Fossilized fun is not that fun. It is more like that uncle who heavily tries to be fun at family parties.
    - owebmaster 1y ago
      Google is not fun and people that try to be funny from Google are cringe
      - salawat 1y ago
        The young one speaks with enlightenment beyond their years. If only we could all be so blessed.
      - thorin 1y ago
        Harking back to the days when people at Apple, Microsoft, Google and Bell Labs had fun. It really happened, allegedly!
      - acheron 1y ago
        Right? I like jokes in programming. I do not like jokes coming from the evil dystopian megacorp that ruined the Internet.
    - 1y ago
ramon156 1y ago
Live a little. When you've passed away, was all the seriousness paid off? That said, funny code should still work
- magospietato 1y ago
  There's a middle ground for sure. I've left a few witty comments and loglines in my time. But I've also had to debug a Delphi unit which returned error codes inspired by the magical supercomputer Hex from the Discworld novels. "Divide by cucumber error" is not a decent enough representation of a module's internal state, no matter how funny you think you are.
  - tikhonj 1y ago
    But a wholly non-funny "Invariant Violated" message would be no better. The problem isn't that the message is funny, but that it does not contain the information you need to understand what's going on. The whimsy is just a distraction.
    - eptcyka 1y ago
      Do you find that distracting things help you debug shoddy code?
      - arccy 1y ago
        if "divide by cucumber" is a unique string in the code base, then yes?
        wiseowise 1y ago
        Right. And how many of those can your brain fit?
        maccard 1y ago
        Doesn’t matter. The important thing is that I can look them up or resolve them easily. Without looking it up can you tell me the difference between HTTP 451 and 510? If not they’re no more useful than I’m a teapot. But I can identify both of those uniquely and figure out where they’re coming from.
joshstrange 1y ago
I couldn’t agree more. I work in a codebase that has a handful of these “fun”-named functions/concepts and I hate it. It wasn’t funny the first time I came across it (just very confusing) and it’s not fun having to explain to new hires why a few things are named the way they are. It needlessly complicates reading/following the code. Even if you explain the naming back at where you define the function/variable it add an extra click-through/hover to read that and an extra translation you have to do in your head when you read the “fun” variable name in the future. One example is we have a flag called “dinnerbell”. What does that do? It tells the server receiving that flag to “come and get it”, “it” being the full data object instead of just getting a delta. It could have been called a whole slew of other things that would make more sense.
dkersten 1y ago
Me too. Professional code isn’t the right place to insert your personality or sense of humour.
outime 1y ago
It's even worse when you stumble upon a repo with already poor documentation, only to find it filled with silly jokes e.g. "You thought this would be easy, right? Well, that's what X thought too, but..." yeah, leave the storytelling aside please.
- account42 1y ago
  You can always ask for a refund.
bmitc 1y ago
I am in this camp as well. Even worse are cute error messages. If software actually worked, then I'd be fine with more whimsy. But it doesn't, so I'm not.
- doright 1y ago
  I remember when the Steam "login from a new computer" auth flow shoved a big "Hi there!" in user's faces the moment it blocked access to their entire online functionality until they left to get a code from their email and came back. Sometime later they removed it and now it's just "please look for the confirmation code sent to <address>". I think in the push to make computing "friendlier" by dressing up error messages, past a certain point they began to come off as condescending. I wish modern UX could focus on working for me instead of trying to be my friend all the time.
- account42 1y ago
  The cute error messages are annoying because they hide what actually happened, not because they are trying to be funny. They are also usually not the result of a single developer's whimsy like a proper easter egg is so they end up being as "funny" as a shitty sitcom with a forced laugh track.

anal_reactor 1y ago

I've noticed that modern life is in general less fun than it was 10 years ago. It might be me getting older, but I'm sure there are bigger societal changes too. BTW I used to browse tcrf.net and it was so interesting that video game developers would leave pieces of themselves in their work. Love letters, old memes, angry letters, random shit, whatever. Meanwhile modern programming is all about pRoFeSsIoAnALisM and MaXiMiZiNg PrOdUcTiViTy at all costs.

NewsaHackO 1y ago
Yes, it like a rite of passage from a startup to “mature” company. It’s like Google’s or Reddit’s April Fools jokes. Actually, the novelty of April fools jokes can probably be a KPI of how corporatized a company is.
Sebb767 1y ago
> BTW I used to browse tcrf.net and it was so interesting that video game developers would leave pieces of themselves in their work. Love letters, old memes, angry letters, random shit, whatever. This is quite dependent on the games you play. Modern games are becoming larger, which makes the project overall more serious and makes it harder to hide easter eggs. That being said, Indie games with small teams still contain a lot of fun and even AAAs can still contain some goodies.
saidinesh5 1y ago
I think it really is up to us to make things as fun as we want to see... There may be more minefields as we grow old (Can a senior pull a harmless prank on newly joined juniors without coming off as mean/threatening?), but at the same time these little joke comments/commit messages, pranks etc.. are what brought people closer together in every place I worked at so far... I mean what other choice do we really have? let the fun police win?

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rendaw 1y ago

If you're 10 hours into debugging something, or you're swamped with a horde of bug reports and bad reviews, and after digging in you find the bug is in upstream code laced with humor, it comes off as if upstream isn't serious about software development or is making light of the responsibility. Lots of things start small, but X11, Android, etc etc are now used by millions, in lots of different situations, and humor is highly contextual.

kube-system 1y ago
> humor is highly contextual. This is key. Writing jokes is easy, but it is much harder to guarantee that your joke is only displayed in appropriate contexts in the future. When what the author thought was a witty joke shows up in a new and inappropriate context, they no longer look very witty, but instead like a fool. What is funny in developer documentation on a normal Tuesday might not be funny in a negative article on the front page of the Wall Street Journal.
account42 1y ago
Sounds like a problem for outrage culture grumps, not something people having fun with their code should care about.