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Microsoft was the bad guy in a movie where you have a war right before aliens invade and you figure out that there's bigger enemies. FSF hated Microsoft becaus

Microsoft was the bad guy in a movie where you have a war right before aliens invade and you figure out that there's bigger enemies. FSF hated Microsoft because they released binaries without source code, they were THE enemy, nowadays, you are lucky if you get a binary to study and modify! The standard from any competitive developer is to hide the binary and source behind a server. Try to study and modify that!

chollida1 1y ago
I agree with your entire statement:)
simfree 1y ago
Flaky, unreliable, not web standards compliant, hosted services suck to deal with. Who needs to add a CORS header to allow Sentry.io or Cloudflare's metrics to work on this 2014 era SaaS that the developer has wandered away from?
II2II 1y ago
For the FSF, Microsoft releasing binaries without source was reason enough to hat them but it was not the only reason why people, including those in the FSF, hated them. Microsoft was very much a company that used their dominant market position to lock customers in and the competition out. (Remember embraced, extend, extinguish?) The Microsoft of today looks like a cuddly teddy bear in comparision.
- esafak 1y ago
  Microsoft's motto then was "We set the standards".
  - stinkbeetle 1y ago
    Worse, it was "we set the standards, and you can't use them".
Nursie 1y ago
> FSF hated Microsoft because they released binaries without source code I think that's a bit of an oversimplification - FOSS-leaning people had a pretty large set of reasons to dislike and distrust MS back then. "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" was a big one, calling linux/FOSS a cancer, their money and influence being used to fund the whole SCO debacle amongst other things. They were pretty actively evil, not just "closed source". There was very good reason not to let MS gain de-facto control of an open protocol, because 90s and 00s microsoft would not have hesitated to find ways to use that dominance to screw the competition.
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chollida1 1y ago

I agree with your entire statement:)

simfree 1y ago

Flaky, unreliable, not web standards compliant, hosted services suck to deal with. Who needs to add a CORS header to allow Sentry.io or Cloudflare's metrics to work on this 2014 era SaaS that the developer has wandered away from?

II2II 1y ago

For the FSF, Microsoft releasing binaries without source was reason enough to hat them but it was not the only reason why people, including those in the FSF, hated them. Microsoft was very much a company that used their dominant market position to lock customers in and the competition out. (Remember embraced, extend, extinguish?) The Microsoft of today looks like a cuddly teddy bear in comparision.

esafak 1y ago
Microsoft's motto then was "We set the standards".
- stinkbeetle 1y ago
  Worse, it was "we set the standards, and you can't use them".

Nursie 1y ago

> FSF hated Microsoft because they released binaries without source code I think that's a bit of an oversimplification - FOSS-leaning people had a pretty large set of reasons to dislike and distrust MS back then. "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" was a big one, calling linux/FOSS a cancer, their money and influence being used to fund the whole SCO debacle amongst other things. They were pretty actively evil, not just "closed source". There was very good reason not to let MS gain de-facto control of an open protocol, because 90s and 00s microsoft would not have hesitated to find ways to use that dominance to screw the competition.

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