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This is an interesting comment! There are a few implications tucked together here that made me think. Forgive me if I'm missing your intent(s) but the way I'm
by collingreen 1y ago
This is an interesting comment! There are a few implications tucked together here that made me think.
Forgive me if I'm missing your intent(s) but the way I'm reading your comment it seems to be implying "the logical conclusion of that line of thinking is a worse situation so the logic is wrong or should be ignored".
Which implies that not being extinct is the most important thing even if life is completely suffering.
(It also implies a false dichotomy where the only two options are the horrible suffering of modern factory farming or extinction, with no options in between.)
I have an earnest question about your opinion, without casting any judgement or gotchas about any real world complicated situations:
In a hypothetical world where horrible factory farming is the only possible life for these chickens (the ONLY alternative is extinction) do you think it is worse to keep the system going than letting them go extinct? I think that's the intent in your comment and, if so, would you mind sharing a bit more about why you think that?
- munchler 1y agoYes, I think the subjective value of life for chickens in a factory farm is negative, so the most ethical outcome would be to stop breeding them, at which point they would presumably go extinct. I’m not a vegan myself, but I have several vegans in my life, and I believe this is a common viewpoint in the vegan community.
- collingreen 1y agoThat argument makes sense to me. Where does it become ironic?
- hermitcrab 1y agoChickens predate factory farming. Why would they stop existing without factory farming?
- munchler 1y agoIn the future I’m describing (“empathy and respect for sentient beings”), people would stop eating chickens, so they would no longer be bred. Also, modern chickens are much larger than their ancestors from even 50 years ago as a result of the efficiencies of factory farming, so I would question the premise of your question.
- hermitcrab 1y agoYou have heard of eggs? ;0)