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I believe most people are not notability adversely affected by sugar and a small subset of the population, like myself, are acutely affected. The former does no

I believe most people are not notability adversely affected by sugar and a small subset of the population, like myself, are acutely affected. The former does not invalidate the latter. Sarah Wilson of “I quit sugar” fame started off with a zero sugar crusade then later ameliorated her advice in an apparent effort to generalize her advice for a wider audience. I think advice should be tailored by conditioning on what category a person fits into. I would go further and suggest that a zero sugar diet should also have zero fruit. As a ADHD sugar addict I would generally substitute sugar with fruit and that prevented me from finding out that even my ostensibly healthy diet had too much sugar in it.

itsallboutsugar 1y ago
Thank you, I initially came here to post a comment disencouraging sugar based on my anecdotal experience. It's indeed weird that people I know don't report the same immediate, acute, negative effects that I experience upon sugar consumption. Until now it never occurred to me my experience might not be universal. Curiously I have ADHD too. Maybe there is a link? In my experience an apple = a bar of chocolate, has the exact same effect, no difference except maybe a bar of chocolate is slightly faster acting. Immediate brain fog, almost like being psuedo-drunk. I too gave up on fruits after deluding myself for a long time that an apple a day is somehow healthy for me. In hindsight it's crystal clear addiction. I was looking forward the entire day to that moment where I'd 'allow' myself the fruit. I was frequently unable to stop eating after the determined portion.
- cjbgkagh 1y ago
  Sure, I absolutely think there is a ADHD link and I think there is a likely (which is not the same as definitely) common cause of hypermobile Ehlers Danlos Syndrome (hEDS), understand that this is not the medical establishment view but I think my models are more accurate and more predictive. If you scroll through my previous message history I cover this topic quite a bit, you can also email me. In general terms, I think hEDS is far more common than doctors do, and is likely caused by TNXB SNPs. TNXB SPNs are overlooked because these are too common to cause the 'rare' condition - but if you drop the prior assumption of rarity then a very different picture is painted. It appears to me that the only difference between hEDS and far more common Generalized Joint Hypermobility (GJH) is severity and the stochastic diagnosis that this difference causes. The prior assumption of rarity has informed the diagnostic test so the diagnostic tests reproduce this assumption and in my view have an extremely high false negative rate. If using other proxy stats like the rate of hypermobility in Long Covid from the work of Dr Jessica Eccles it's pretty clear that that prior assumption of rarity is wildly inaccurate. I was able to figure this out because I have experience as an applied researcher and machine learning, having spent half a lifetime reading papers I've developed a bit of a nose for the sorts of mistakes that academic researchers tend to make.
Tarsul 1y ago
do you substitute your fruits with vegetables? Maybe I should try it as well but then again my daily apple is one of my highlights.
- cjbgkagh 1y ago
  The most direct substitution was cheese, lactose does not appear to have the same effect on me as fructose or sucrose. I mostly eat kale for vegetables, this also helps with subclinical insulin resistance and inflammation. I think roasting vegetables may end up being too sweet. I did an extended 5 day water fast to kick start the microbiome changes I undertook it as an experiment and the effectiveness in lifting brain fog suggested that it likely had a microbiome component.
  - xdavidliu 1y ago
    i thought most cheese has way less lactose, if any, than milk?
    - esperent 1y ago
      Really depends on the cheese. Most has less than milk but for some like cottage cheese it's still pretty high. Other hard cheeses like parmesan it's basically zero. You could use a rule of thumb that hard/aged cheeses are low lactose. But there's outliers like brie/camembert that are very low lactose even when relatively fresh.
  - edwcross 1y ago
    Would you mind citing which kind of cheese you eat? Because much cheese has little to no lactose, and also goat lactose does not necessarily have the same effect as cow lactose. Finally, the fats and proteins in cheese affect digestion and possibly sugar absorption.
    - cjbgkagh 1y ago
      Honestly when battling sugar cravings it would be rather large chunks of parmesan cheese because I find it rather sweet. I assumed that was due to lactose but perhaps I'm wrong about that. It could also be that even a small amount of lactose tastes sweet after a while of not eating sugar.

itsallboutsugar 1y ago

Thank you, I initially came here to post a comment disencouraging sugar based on my anecdotal experience. It's indeed weird that people I know don't report the same immediate, acute, negative effects that I experience upon sugar consumption. Until now it never occurred to me my experience might not be universal. Curiously I have ADHD too. Maybe there is a link? In my experience an apple = a bar of chocolate, has the exact same effect, no difference except maybe a bar of chocolate is slightly faster acting. Immediate brain fog, almost like being psuedo-drunk. I too gave up on fruits after deluding myself for a long time that an apple a day is somehow healthy for me. In hindsight it's crystal clear addiction. I was looking forward the entire day to that moment where I'd 'allow' myself the fruit. I was frequently unable to stop eating after the determined portion.

cjbgkagh 1y ago
Sure, I absolutely think there is a ADHD link and I think there is a likely (which is not the same as definitely) common cause of hypermobile Ehlers Danlos Syndrome (hEDS), understand that this is not the medical establishment view but I think my models are more accurate and more predictive. If you scroll through my previous message history I cover this topic quite a bit, you can also email me. In general terms, I think hEDS is far more common than doctors do, and is likely caused by TNXB SNPs. TNXB SPNs are overlooked because these are too common to cause the 'rare' condition - but if you drop the prior assumption of rarity then a very different picture is painted. It appears to me that the only difference between hEDS and far more common Generalized Joint Hypermobility (GJH) is severity and the stochastic diagnosis that this difference causes. The prior assumption of rarity has informed the diagnostic test so the diagnostic tests reproduce this assumption and in my view have an extremely high false negative rate. If using other proxy stats like the rate of hypermobility in Long Covid from the work of Dr Jessica Eccles it's pretty clear that that prior assumption of rarity is wildly inaccurate. I was able to figure this out because I have experience as an applied researcher and machine learning, having spent half a lifetime reading papers I've developed a bit of a nose for the sorts of mistakes that academic researchers tend to make.

Tarsul 1y ago

do you substitute your fruits with vegetables? Maybe I should try it as well but then again my daily apple is one of my highlights.

cjbgkagh 1y ago
The most direct substitution was cheese, lactose does not appear to have the same effect on me as fructose or sucrose. I mostly eat kale for vegetables, this also helps with subclinical insulin resistance and inflammation. I think roasting vegetables may end up being too sweet. I did an extended 5 day water fast to kick start the microbiome changes I undertook it as an experiment and the effectiveness in lifting brain fog suggested that it likely had a microbiome component.
- xdavidliu 1y ago
  i thought most cheese has way less lactose, if any, than milk?
  - esperent 1y ago
    Really depends on the cheese. Most has less than milk but for some like cottage cheese it's still pretty high. Other hard cheeses like parmesan it's basically zero. You could use a rule of thumb that hard/aged cheeses are low lactose. But there's outliers like brie/camembert that are very low lactose even when relatively fresh.
- edwcross 1y ago
  Would you mind citing which kind of cheese you eat? Because much cheese has little to no lactose, and also goat lactose does not necessarily have the same effect as cow lactose. Finally, the fats and proteins in cheese affect digestion and possibly sugar absorption.
  - cjbgkagh 1y ago
    Honestly when battling sugar cravings it would be rather large chunks of parmesan cheese because I find it rather sweet. I assumed that was due to lactose but perhaps I'm wrong about that. It could also be that even a small amount of lactose tastes sweet after a while of not eating sugar.