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The protesting and activism are the same. I think foreign students/citizens should refrain from doing either of these, as they are in the country for a specific

by kreetx 1y ago

The protesting and activism are the same. I think foreign students/citizens should refrain from doing either of these, as they are in the country for a specific reason (to study), and not to turn its government. You'll probably get away with it when you do it at a small scale, but as things get out of hand, you are unlikely to go unnoticed - as person in the topic apparently did.

sorcerer-mar 1y ago
There are no such considerations in the US Constitution. As an American, I have a right to hear the speech of foreign students and citizens. The government does not have the power to prevent me from hearing what they have to say. Small or large scale does not matter. Stanley v Georgia: "It is now well established that the Constitution protects the right to receive information and ideas... This right to receive information and ideas, regardless of their social worth is fundamental to our free society." https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/394/557/ https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/394/557/
- kreetx 1y ago
  Does your right to hear anyone's speach mean that any person you want to hear and is able to reach the US has to be allowed to remain in the country? Does this mean physically hearing this person? Because if not, then the blog and the socials will continue to be there.
  - WarOnPrivacy 1y ago
    > Does your right to hear anyone's speach The rights are that Gov shall make no law prohibiting speech and assembly. By extension, Gov shall not perform actions in response to speech and assembly, because the laws to authorize those actions shall not exist.
    - kreetx 1y ago
      Yes, but this person arrived from another country. Would you say freedom of speech and freedom of assembly means that people from around the world have the right to assemble in the United States?
      - sorcerer-mar 1y ago
        No, no one is saying that. This has been explained over and over.
      - WarOnPrivacy 1y ago
        > Yes, but this person arrived from another country. Yes. > Would you say freedom of speech and freedom of assembly means that people from around the world have the right to assemble in the United States? I wouldn't say that because it isn't a well formed question. It conflates multiple, distinct activities. It unhelpfully presents them as if they were a single, constitutionally addressable action, which they are not.
        kreetx 1y ago
        But he was denied entry at the border, so it appears that, according to you, anyone from elsewhere in the world should be able to assemble in the US and express his free speech.
  - sorcerer-mar 1y ago
    No, it means that the government cannot take action against them on the basis of that speech.

by kreetx 1y ago

sorcerer-mar 1y ago

There are no such considerations in the US Constitution. As an American, I have a right to hear the speech of foreign students and citizens. The government does not have the power to prevent me from hearing what they have to say. Small or large scale does not matter. Stanley v Georgia: "It is now well established that the Constitution protects the right to receive information and ideas... This right to receive information and ideas, regardless of their social worth is fundamental to our free society." https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/394/557/ https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/394/557/

kreetx 1y ago
Does your right to hear anyone's speach mean that any person you want to hear and is able to reach the US has to be allowed to remain in the country? Does this mean physically hearing this person? Because if not, then the blog and the socials will continue to be there.
- WarOnPrivacy 1y ago
  > Does your right to hear anyone's speach The rights are that Gov shall make no law prohibiting speech and assembly. By extension, Gov shall not perform actions in response to speech and assembly, because the laws to authorize those actions shall not exist.
  - kreetx 1y ago
    Yes, but this person arrived from another country. Would you say freedom of speech and freedom of assembly means that people from around the world have the right to assemble in the United States?
    - sorcerer-mar 1y ago
      No, no one is saying that. This has been explained over and over.
    - WarOnPrivacy 1y ago
      > Yes, but this person arrived from another country. Yes. > Would you say freedom of speech and freedom of assembly means that people from around the world have the right to assemble in the United States? I wouldn't say that because it isn't a well formed question. It conflates multiple, distinct activities. It unhelpfully presents them as if they were a single, constitutionally addressable action, which they are not.
      - kreetx 1y ago
        But he was denied entry at the border, so it appears that, according to you, anyone from elsewhere in the world should be able to assemble in the US and express his free speech.
- sorcerer-mar 1y ago
  No, it means that the government cannot take action against them on the basis of that speech.