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The US is just following the European example of "responsibly" moderating speech [1], instead of blindly sticking to the 1st amendment, as they were so often ca

The US is just following the European example of "responsibly" moderating speech [1], instead of blindly sticking to the 1st amendment, as they were so often called to [2]. [1] https://www.gbnews.com/news/renaud-camus-banned-migration-views https://www.gbnews.com/news/renaud-camus-banned-migration-vi... [2] https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/what-europe-can-teach-america-about-free-speech/537186/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/what-eu...

blacksmith_tb 1y ago
Does that say Camus had his phone seized? He was denied being allowed to come and speak, not to visit as a journalist, which also strikes me a fairly different case (whatever you think of his positions, or whether they should be debated or silenced). It seems unlikely to me that a journalist who'd written flattering things about the AFD would be treated so badly trying to visit Germany?
- like_any_other 1y ago
  > Does that say Camus had his phone seized? I'm confused where this question is coming from. Do cases have to be exactly the same to draw parallels? > It seems unlikely to me that a journalist who'd written flattering things about the AFD would be treated so badly trying to visit Germany? Germany is a bad example, as they're deporting and planning to even revoke citizenship based on speech: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/4/14/germany-orders-deportation-of-pro-palestine-activists-what-you-should-know https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/4/14/germany-orders-depo... https://theintercept.com/2025/03/31/germany-gaza-protesters-deport/ https://theintercept.com/2025/03/31/germany-gaza-protesters-... https://www.dw.com/en/germany-could-withdraw-citizenship-due-to-antisemitism/a-72104457 https://www.dw.com/en/germany-could-withdraw-citizenship-due...
  - MandieD 1y ago
    Complicated thing: had a certain Austrian who complained about the German government silencing him instead been deported and forbidden to return after his prison sentence, the world might have been a very different place.
csoups14 1y ago
Yes, I would expect the government to blindly stick to the founding document of the country. I would also expect the government to go through the amendment process to change that document if it was found wanting given changes in society over time.
- physicles 1y ago
  It’s far easier to pay lip service to the document while doing whatever you want. This is common with authoritarian regimes. From the PRC’s constitution: > Citizens of the People’s Republic of China enjoy freedom of speech, of the press, of assembly, of association, of procession and of demonstration.

blacksmith_tb 1y ago

Does that say Camus had his phone seized? He was denied being allowed to come and speak, not to visit as a journalist, which also strikes me a fairly different case (whatever you think of his positions, or whether they should be debated or silenced). It seems unlikely to me that a journalist who'd written flattering things about the AFD would be treated so badly trying to visit Germany?

like_any_other 1y ago
> Does that say Camus had his phone seized? I'm confused where this question is coming from. Do cases have to be exactly the same to draw parallels? > It seems unlikely to me that a journalist who'd written flattering things about the AFD would be treated so badly trying to visit Germany? Germany is a bad example, as they're deporting and planning to even revoke citizenship based on speech: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/4/14/germany-orders-deportation-of-pro-palestine-activists-what-you-should-know https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/4/14/germany-orders-depo... https://theintercept.com/2025/03/31/germany-gaza-protesters-deport/ https://theintercept.com/2025/03/31/germany-gaza-protesters-... https://www.dw.com/en/germany-could-withdraw-citizenship-due-to-antisemitism/a-72104457 https://www.dw.com/en/germany-could-withdraw-citizenship-due...
- MandieD 1y ago
  Complicated thing: had a certain Austrian who complained about the German government silencing him instead been deported and forbidden to return after his prison sentence, the world might have been a very different place.

csoups14 1y ago

Yes, I would expect the government to blindly stick to the founding document of the country. I would also expect the government to go through the amendment process to change that document if it was found wanting given changes in society over time.

physicles 1y ago
It’s far easier to pay lip service to the document while doing whatever you want. This is common with authoritarian regimes. From the PRC’s constitution: > Citizens of the People’s Republic of China enjoy freedom of speech, of the press, of assembly, of association, of procession and of demonstration.