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USA is presently in the midst of a massive offshoring of software jobs which will only continue to accelerate as AI becomes better. These are "white collar" jo

USA is presently in the midst of a massive offshoring of software jobs which will only continue to accelerate as AI becomes better. These are "white collar" jobs that will never come back.

zozbot234 1y ago
> a massive offshoring of software jobs Where have I heard this before? The drawbacks of offshoring are well known by now and AI does not really mitigate them to any extent.
- seadan83 1y ago
  So many of the drawbacks have been mitigated at this point too. Offshore teams are well organized, have their own managers, orgs, the offshore talent has really grown in ths last few decades with many excellent engineers, and remote/async work has become a first class citizen now. Despite offshore getting way better, the US jobs market in IT has not collapsed.
  - mixmastamyk 1y ago
    US tech jobs market has collapsed. Although partially self-inflicted wounds. If you don’t think so, you haven’t looked for a job in a while. AI should improve code quality for these offshore teams. That leaves time zone issues, which may or may not be a problem. If it is, offshore to Latin America.
    - seadan83 1y ago
      > If you don’t think so, you haven’t looked for a job in a while. This is not an argument. Any individuals experience is not going to be anything of a representative sample of pretty much anything. You need data to make your claim. You probably will also need to define "collapse." US-based AI companies are doing pretty well, if there were a collapse, that would not be the case. Plenty of companies are hiring. The job market is not what it was when there were 0% interest rates, but "collapsed" - that's some hot-take shit IMO good for twitter and clicks.
      - mixmastamyk 1y ago
        No. I guess it wasn’t clear, you thought I meant that tech companies completely shut down or something. That’s not it. The new job market has collapsed. I’ve never had trouble getting interviews before. Offers have been difficult yes, but interviews, always got plenty. I have twenty plus years experience in modern tech stacks, last five in ETL which was a good field. And haven’t received a single interview this year. Section 174, BigTech layoffs, DOGE, higher interest rates, and more. Try getting a job outside of your network just for practice and you’ll see something has fundamentally changed.
mjr00 1y ago
The USA has "presently" been offshoring software development jobs since around 2001. I remember, because the same type of people dooming about AI were also telling me, a university student at the time, that I shouldn't get into software development, because salaries would cap out at $50k/year due to competition with low-cost offshore developers in India and Bangladesh.

USA is presently in the midst of a massive offshoring of software jobs which will only continue to accelerate as AI becomes better. These are "white collar" jobs that will never come back.

zozbot234 1y ago

> a massive offshoring of software jobs Where have I heard this before? The drawbacks of offshoring are well known by now and AI does not really mitigate them to any extent.

seadan83 1y ago
So many of the drawbacks have been mitigated at this point too. Offshore teams are well organized, have their own managers, orgs, the offshore talent has really grown in ths last few decades with many excellent engineers, and remote/async work has become a first class citizen now. Despite offshore getting way better, the US jobs market in IT has not collapsed.
- mixmastamyk 1y ago
  US tech jobs market has collapsed. Although partially self-inflicted wounds. If you don’t think so, you haven’t looked for a job in a while. AI should improve code quality for these offshore teams. That leaves time zone issues, which may or may not be a problem. If it is, offshore to Latin America.
  - seadan83 1y ago
    > If you don’t think so, you haven’t looked for a job in a while. This is not an argument. Any individuals experience is not going to be anything of a representative sample of pretty much anything. You need data to make your claim. You probably will also need to define "collapse." US-based AI companies are doing pretty well, if there were a collapse, that would not be the case. Plenty of companies are hiring. The job market is not what it was when there were 0% interest rates, but "collapsed" - that's some hot-take shit IMO good for twitter and clicks.
    - mixmastamyk 1y ago
      No. I guess it wasn’t clear, you thought I meant that tech companies completely shut down or something. That’s not it. The new job market has collapsed. I’ve never had trouble getting interviews before. Offers have been difficult yes, but interviews, always got plenty. I have twenty plus years experience in modern tech stacks, last five in ETL which was a good field. And haven’t received a single interview this year. Section 174, BigTech layoffs, DOGE, higher interest rates, and more. Try getting a job outside of your network just for practice and you’ll see something has fundamentally changed.

mjr00 1y ago

The USA has "presently" been offshoring software development jobs since around 2001. I remember, because the same type of people dooming about AI were also telling me, a university student at the time, that I shouldn't get into software development, because salaries would cap out at $50k/year due to competition with low-cost offshore developers in India and Bangladesh.