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We have indoor rabbits and our boy rabbit often mounts the female one (they are both neutered). What else is there to call it but rape? He mounts her, she rejec

We have indoor rabbits and our boy rabbit often mounts the female one (they are both neutered). What else is there to call it but rape? He mounts her, she rejects it and runs away, he insists, eventually she has enough and they have a fight. It’s basically impossible to not call it rape

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mc32 1y ago
It’s mating behavior. The don't have the concept of rape. They don’t have peers who punish them for this behavior. It all instinct and nothing else.
- bowsamic 1y ago
  It doesn't matter if they have a concept of it, I'm talking about our concept of it, and their behaviour accords to that concept
  - quesera 1y ago
    Zero chickens are aware of human concepts of order. You might as well rail against clouds for forming, or rain for falling.
    - bowsamic 1y ago
      Agreed, of course
quesera 1y ago
It's a loaded word though, with psychological and social implications that far exceed the simple description of the act. Absent the psychology and society, what is it? Obnoxious dominant behavior, maybe. But in context, is it even obnoxious or is that just humans having opinions again? The hens don't appear to love it, but they don't like being rained on either. And just like being caught in a rainstorm, they shake themselves off, and get on with their day. Is this OK? I don't know, but it's thoroughly normal and necessary for species survival. Hens do not go into heat or have sex drives, so the hen will never initiate or encourage sex. So all chicken mating is nonconsensual. What does consent even mean here? Yet they survive as a (now domesticated) species. Similarly, is it "murder" when a coyote eats a chicken? Maybe, but only if we're anthropomorphizing. Really it's just predation. It sets off our moral triggers, but it's an essential function of life -- and for that matter, we do it too and rarely feel bad about it.
dyauspitr 1y ago
Yes, essential all procreation in the wild amounts to rape. Most procreation involves dazzling the female for a few seconds so they can get close enough to rape them. Frankly anything that isn’t rape is abnormal.

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mc32 1y ago

It’s mating behavior. The don't have the concept of rape. They don’t have peers who punish them for this behavior. It all instinct and nothing else.

bowsamic 1y ago
It doesn't matter if they have a concept of it, I'm talking about our concept of it, and their behaviour accords to that concept
- quesera 1y ago
  Zero chickens are aware of human concepts of order. You might as well rail against clouds for forming, or rain for falling.
  - bowsamic 1y ago
    Agreed, of course

quesera 1y ago

It's a loaded word though, with psychological and social implications that far exceed the simple description of the act. Absent the psychology and society, what is it? Obnoxious dominant behavior, maybe. But in context, is it even obnoxious or is that just humans having opinions again? The hens don't appear to love it, but they don't like being rained on either. And just like being caught in a rainstorm, they shake themselves off, and get on with their day. Is this OK? I don't know, but it's thoroughly normal and necessary for species survival. Hens do not go into heat or have sex drives, so the hen will never initiate or encourage sex. So all chicken mating is nonconsensual. What does consent even mean here? Yet they survive as a (now domesticated) species. Similarly, is it "murder" when a coyote eats a chicken? Maybe, but only if we're anthropomorphizing. Really it's just predation. It sets off our moral triggers, but it's an essential function of life -- and for that matter, we do it too and rarely feel bad about it.

dyauspitr 1y ago

Yes, essential all procreation in the wild amounts to rape. Most procreation involves dazzling the female for a few seconds so they can get close enough to rape them. Frankly anything that isn’t rape is abnormal.