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Yes but then they fail to understand a lot of “long tail” home projects, opensource stuff etc is done on consumer GPUs at home, which is tremendously important
by stingraycharles 1y ago
Yes but then they fail to understand a lot of “long tail” home projects, opensource stuff etc is done on consumer GPUs at home, which is tremendously important for ecosystem support.
- cma 1y agoNvidia started removing nvlink with the 4000 series, they aren't heavily focused on it either anymore and want to sell the workstation cards for uses like training models at home.
- 7speter 1y agoAs a beginner, you can get a lot done on a 4060ti/5060ti 16gb, much less a 4090/5090. Heck I’ve been able to work through the early chapters of the FastAI book using a lowly Quadro p1000
- wmf 1y agoWhat if they understand that and they don't care? Getting one hyperscaler as a customer is worth more than the entire long tail.
- danielheath 1y agoWhy would a hyperscaler pick the technology that’s harder to hire for (because there’s no hobbyist-to-expert pipeline)?
- selectodude 1y agoThen they’re fools. Every AI maestro knows CUDA because they learned it at home.
- jiggawatts 1y agoIt’s the same reason there’s orders of magnitude more code written for Linux than for mainframes.
- stingraycharles 1y agoThe problem is that this is short-term thinking. You need students and professionals playing around with your tools at home and/or on their work computers to drive hyperscale demand in the long term. This is why it’s so important AMD gets their act together quickly, as the benefits of these kind of things are measured in years, not months.
- moffkalast 1y agoThen they will stay irrelevant in the GPU space like they have been so far.
- lhl 1y agoOn the corp side you have FB w/ PyTorch, xformers (still pretty iffy on AMD support tbt) and MS w/ DeepSpeed. But let's see about some others: Flash Attention: academia, 2y behind for AMD support bitsandbytes: academia, 2y behind for AMD support Marlin: academia, no AMD support FlashInfer: acadedmia/startup, no AMD ThunderKittens: academia, no AMD support DeepGEMM, DeepEP, FlashMLA: ofc, nothing from China supports AMD Without the long tail AMD will continue to always be in a position where they have to scramble to try to add second tier support years later themselves, while Nvidia continues to get all the latest and greatest for free. This is just off the top of my head on the LLM side where I'm focused on, btw. Whenever I look at image/video it's even more grim.
- jimmySixDOF 1y agoModular says Max/Mojo will change this and make refactoring between different vendors (and different lines of the same vendor) less of a showstopper but tbd for now
- pjmlp 1y agoThe judge is still out there regarding if Max/Mojo is going to be something that the large majority cares about.
- littlestymaar 1y agoWhy should we care about them if they don't care? I mean of they want to stay at a fraction of the market value and profit of their direct competitor, good for them.
- dummydummy1234 1y agoI want a competitive market so I can have cheaper gpus. It's Nvidia, AMD, and maybe Intel.