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quick disclaimer before anyone starts telling their friends about x11libre; the project is associated with MAGA language and personally I don't trust it https:

by mouse_ 1y ago

quick disclaimer before anyone starts telling their friends about x11libre; the project is associated with MAGA language and personally I don't trust it https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/issues/40 https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/issues/40 If I were to take it several steps further, the conspiracy theorist in me says that redhat has the biggest incentive to make Wayland haters look silly. Of course that's just conjecture.

BillyTheMage 1y ago
As an anarchist these dem/rep comment chains always make me feel sad. Literally everyone in there is wrong because they're so caught up in their team, and it's even worse because they're basically the same team: they're all right-wingers who can't comprehend a world that doesn't revolve around the profit of a few parasites. Everyone feeling welcome (which is explicitly stated in that project's README) is a good thing. But that's not what DEI is. DEI is when someone gets picked over someone else solely because of their association with a particular group. That's bigotry. Bigotry is bad. Diversity and inclusion are good; bigotry is bad. Bigotry is bad. Bigotry is bad. Bigotry is bad. Bigotry is bad. It's not just MAGA idiots who are against DEI just because the TV told them to. People who actually know what they're talking about are against it too. Support for DEI is limited to the left edge of the right wing. The fact that MAGAts are against it is simply a case of a broken clock being right twice a day.
- slater 1y ago
  > DEI is when someone gets picked over someone else solely because of their association with a particular group That's a straw-man view of DEI
  - BillyTheMage 1y ago
    It's what I've witnessed in person AND what I take from the intended meaning of the concept. Hire/choose/promote/etc certain people over certain other people because the "other" is some stereotype you don't like. It's just rebranded Affirmative Action. It's evil bigotry that happens to make you feel good because of the words they use to describe it. I've seen DEI used as an excuse to fire and demote people just because they were part of some demographic, to make space for the "disadvantaged" folks. They were good at their jobs, did nothing fireable. They were deemed to be "advantaged" in the same way a random Asian is assumed to be good at math. And now they're struggling to survive. That's the logical conclusion of DEI. Absolutely evil. There's no excuse for it. And that's not a right-wing view either. What other conception of it is there that doesn't just conveniently gloss over the details of how it works in practice? What am I missing?
  - frollogaston 1y ago
    Back when DEI was legal, they'd ask questions about groupings like race, which would be factored into whatever school/job decision. Concrete example, Harvard's incoming class is >50% Asian-American now, but it was like 22% when admissions could see race. That was called DEI, right?
- Mountain_Skies 1y ago
  So much "I'm not an X but..." encoded into one post. So many words saying what the words say it's not saying.
  - zahlman 1y ago
    > Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity. Insinuating things about the beliefs of others is not conducive to a productive discussion.
frollogaston 1y ago
I'm more interested in the rest of the README rant: This fork was necessary since toxic elements within Xorg projects, moles from BigTech, are boycotting any substantial work on Xorg, in order to destroy the project, to eliminate competition of their own products. Classic "embrace, extend, extinguish" tactics. This is an independent project, not at all affiliated with BigTech or any of their subsidiaries or tax evasion tools, nor any political activists groups, state actors, etc.

by mouse_ 1y ago

BillyTheMage 1y ago

As an anarchist these dem/rep comment chains always make me feel sad. Literally everyone in there is wrong because they're so caught up in their team, and it's even worse because they're basically the same team: they're all right-wingers who can't comprehend a world that doesn't revolve around the profit of a few parasites. Everyone feeling welcome (which is explicitly stated in that project's README) is a good thing. But that's not what DEI is. DEI is when someone gets picked over someone else solely because of their association with a particular group. That's bigotry. Bigotry is bad. Diversity and inclusion are good; bigotry is bad. Bigotry is bad. Bigotry is bad. Bigotry is bad. Bigotry is bad. It's not just MAGA idiots who are against DEI just because the TV told them to. People who actually know what they're talking about are against it too. Support for DEI is limited to the left edge of the right wing. The fact that MAGAts are against it is simply a case of a broken clock being right twice a day.

slater 1y ago
> DEI is when someone gets picked over someone else solely because of their association with a particular group That's a straw-man view of DEI
- BillyTheMage 1y ago
  It's what I've witnessed in person AND what I take from the intended meaning of the concept. Hire/choose/promote/etc certain people over certain other people because the "other" is some stereotype you don't like. It's just rebranded Affirmative Action. It's evil bigotry that happens to make you feel good because of the words they use to describe it. I've seen DEI used as an excuse to fire and demote people just because they were part of some demographic, to make space for the "disadvantaged" folks. They were good at their jobs, did nothing fireable. They were deemed to be "advantaged" in the same way a random Asian is assumed to be good at math. And now they're struggling to survive. That's the logical conclusion of DEI. Absolutely evil. There's no excuse for it. And that's not a right-wing view either. What other conception of it is there that doesn't just conveniently gloss over the details of how it works in practice? What am I missing?
- frollogaston 1y ago
  Back when DEI was legal, they'd ask questions about groupings like race, which would be factored into whatever school/job decision. Concrete example, Harvard's incoming class is >50% Asian-American now, but it was like 22% when admissions could see race. That was called DEI, right?
Mountain_Skies 1y ago
So much "I'm not an X but..." encoded into one post. So many words saying what the words say it's not saying.
- zahlman 1y ago
  > Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity. Insinuating things about the beliefs of others is not conducive to a productive discussion.

frollogaston 1y ago

I'm more interested in the rest of the README rant: This fork was necessary since toxic elements within Xorg projects, moles from BigTech, are boycotting any substantial work on Xorg, in order to destroy the project, to eliminate competition of their own products. Classic "embrace, extend, extinguish" tactics. This is an independent project, not at all affiliated with BigTech or any of their subsidiaries or tax evasion tools, nor any political activists groups, state actors, etc.