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The ioquake3-based Urban Terror game was also much faster with Apple's graphics drivers for the Intel HD Graphics than under Ubuntu Linux with Mesa. They're co

The ioquake3-based Urban Terror game was also much faster with Apple's graphics drivers for the Intel HD Graphics than under Ubuntu Linux with Mesa. They're comparing apples to oranges. Mesa are like default graphic drivers, with very little or no hardware acceleration.

zobzu 14y ago
that's incorrect. mesa is the 3d graphic library on top of the native intel hd graphic drivers. the comparison actually make sense. you're not going to intel's osx drivers running in linux and you're not going to get mesa and intel's linux drivers running in osx, you realize that right? right? Oh right it's just trendy to hit on Phoronix for no reason. Well, they're testing the same games in the different environments to decide which environment is the fastest. That's very much apple to apple. I'd like to hear your test that's so much more accurate between Linux and Apple gaming with the same hardware. PLEASE ENLIGHTEN US.
- numbsafari 14y ago
  You seem to be really angry about this. I mean, shockingly so. Your comment just really jumped out at me and caught me by surprise. So much so that I felt like it might be good for someone to point it out to you. I'd like to prescribe an afternoon of UrT. Take about 45 minutes to frag the hell out of a Steve Jobs avatar and post back in the morning. :)
  - tedunangst 14y ago
    Anger aside, he's right. mesa is used even if the intel driver is used too. mesa includes a software implementation, but it's also the gateway to the hardware drivers.
    - ajross 14y ago
      Better stated: the Intel graphics driver is part of the Mesa/DRI2 framework. Mesa's core provides the OpenGL front end (API implementation, shader compilers, high level optimizers). Intel provides a low level component that takes that shader stream and turns it into programs and commands for the hardware, which is managed by a DRI driver in the kernel.
krakensden 14y ago
Intel's official Linux graphics drivers are a part of Mesa. You're probably confusing it with the Mesa software renderer, which is a fallback if you have no accelerated drivers.

zobzu 14y ago

that's incorrect. mesa is the 3d graphic library on top of the native intel hd graphic drivers. the comparison actually make sense. you're not going to intel's osx drivers running in linux and you're not going to get mesa and intel's linux drivers running in osx, you realize that right? right? Oh right it's just trendy to hit on Phoronix for no reason. Well, they're testing the same games in the different environments to decide which environment is the fastest. That's very much apple to apple. I'd like to hear your test that's so much more accurate between Linux and Apple gaming with the same hardware. PLEASE ENLIGHTEN US.

numbsafari 14y ago
You seem to be really angry about this. I mean, shockingly so. Your comment just really jumped out at me and caught me by surprise. So much so that I felt like it might be good for someone to point it out to you. I'd like to prescribe an afternoon of UrT. Take about 45 minutes to frag the hell out of a Steve Jobs avatar and post back in the morning. :)
- tedunangst 14y ago
  Anger aside, he's right. mesa is used even if the intel driver is used too. mesa includes a software implementation, but it's also the gateway to the hardware drivers.
  - ajross 14y ago
    Better stated: the Intel graphics driver is part of the Mesa/DRI2 framework. Mesa's core provides the OpenGL front end (API implementation, shader compilers, high level optimizers). Intel provides a low level component that takes that shader stream and turns it into programs and commands for the hardware, which is managed by a DRI driver in the kernel.

krakensden 14y ago

Intel's official Linux graphics drivers are a part of Mesa. You're probably confusing it with the Mesa software renderer, which is a fallback if you have no accelerated drivers.