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- benatkin 1y agoLooking through these three graphs, there's more to it than that. Breast cancer mortality by age: https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/health-professional/cancer-statistics/statistics-by-cancer-type/breast-cancer/mortality#heading-One https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/health-professional/cancer-... Prostate cancer mortality by age: https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/health-professional/cancer-statistics/statistics-by-cancer-type/prostate-cancer/mortality#heading-One https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/health-professional/cancer-... Testicular cancer mortality by age: https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/health-professional/cancer-statistics/statistics-by-cancer-type/testicular-cancer/mortality#heading-One https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/health-professional/cancer-...
- mimentum 1y agoBreast cancer affects men too.
- jrflowers 1y agoAccording to the American Cancer Society, it is estimated that there will be over 62,000 more cases of breast cancer than prostate cancer in the US this year, and will kill over 6000 more people. >The American Cancer Society’s estimates for prostate cancer in the United States for 2025 are: >About 313,780 new cases of prostate cancer >About 35,770 deaths from prostate cancer https://www.cancer.org/cancer/types/prostate-cancer/about/key-statistics.html https://www.cancer.org/cancer/types/prostate-cancer/about/ke... >The American Cancer Society's estimates for breast cancer in the United States for 2025 are: >About 316,950 new cases of invasive breast cancer will be diagnosed in women. >About 59,080 new cases of ductal carcinoma in situ (DCIS) will be diagnosed. >About 42,170 women will die from breast cancer. https://www.cancer.org/cancer/types/breast-cancer/about/how-common-is-breast-cancer.html https://www.cancer.org/cancer/types/breast-cancer/about/how-...
- ArnoVW 1y agothere are more women than men. It's not 50/50 but 50.5 / 49.5, because women live longer. that 0.5% over 340M Americans represents 1.7M women, which makes me think that you can't do math like that?
- perching_aix 1y agoFrom what I understand, while in these two topics it is true that gender disparity sways towards women, in others it tends to sway the other way. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/dec/18/women-have-been-woefully-neglected-does-medical-science-have-a-gender-problem#:~:text=It%20wasn%E2%80%99t%20just%20the%20topic,of%20women https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/dec/18/women-have... [1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33232627/#:~:text=NIH%20disease%20portfolio,those%20that%20affect%20primarily%20women https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33232627/#:~:text=NIH%20dise... I think this topic is better discussed without displays of victimhood anyhow (or maybe all topics are).
- zxexz 1y agoI advise people to at least consider the “years of life lost” approach to thinking about this [0] Prostate cancer and breast cancer suck. All cancer sucks, it’s a blight on civilization. Don’t pit diseases against each other like that. They’re not sports teams. [0] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10279998/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10279998/
- radu_floricica 1y agoAnd yet you chose to reply to this comment instead of the parent :) CW is a thing, cant's wish it away. Best to work on rules of engagement and being at least slightly productive about it. Small steps like https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/but-vs-yes-but https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/but-vs-yes-but. Seems trivial, but I'd love to see more informal rules like this enforced in practice.
- zxexz 1y agoI’m sure I don’t understand what you’re saying! Could you explain? I’m not being facetious, either. I’m not sure how posting this to the parent would have made any sense.
- mattigames 1y agoThe money is not infinite in any sense so it is for many pragmatic purposes a competition, the diseases with more attention get more research, so it's in the reasonable interests of the people to advocate for the diseases that are most likely to affect them personally.
- zxexz 1y agoFor sure. I would like to point out for readers to think about the fact that if you are, say, a guy in your 30s, the women close to you getting breast cancer will also have a profound impact on your life. Likely a greater one than dying of prostate cancer in your 80s. Maybe (hopefully) neither of those happen! Maybe you get prostate cancer in your 30s! I just hope one can realize that getting the disease oneself is not the only way the disease can affect them, far from it.
- MangoToupe 1y agoIt ain’t a competition lmaooo
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- steve_adams_86 1y agoThe individual suffering from it probably shouldn't be lumped into some macro-social group of people who are 'playing victim while receiving equal treatment'. They're a person suffering from an extremely painful condition by no fault of their own. It could be your mom, your sister, partner, friend. How much money is raised for breast cancer makes no difference for their circumstance. What's worse is that there are countless stories of women being denied care and treatment for this condition. It goes undiagnosed for years. Yet it's known to be debilitating in some cases. That's outside the bounds of normalcy and isn't made any better by hypothetical equal treatment.
- zxexz 1y ago[flagged]
- goku12 1y agoThere's no question that diseases like endometriosis and breast cancer needs to go. The medical research community is very self-critical about anti-female biases and there are numerous papers and articles about it. And that's good. If endometriosis is not getting the attention it deserves, then push for it by all means. Men don't really understand it for obvious reasons. But it isn't a big task to get their support by creating awareness. Articles like this is a step in that direction. But can we please avoid dragging men through the mud in matters they have no awareness or influence on? Why must a top-level comment about endometriosis, a disease that affects only women, implicate men in anyway? What makes you feel that men are fine with watching their female kin (or any women) suffer from any of those? Why would men like me even be reading this article if we aren't open to the experience of the others? Let's consider the fact that prostrate and testicular cancers don't receive anywhere near as much attention as breast and ovarian cancer. So the top comment is rhetorical and objectively false. Imagine if a man you know gets prostrate cancer and someone comments that there would be better treatment for it affected women too. How would you feel? I hate saying this here on the comment section about an important medical condition. Can we discuss women's issues objectively without looking for ways to blame men somehow? Why such hostility against men? I see this far too often and on far too many random topics - it's disheartening and depressing. Look at the way the discussion thread progressed. The top comment that mentions men unfavorably and unreasonably is upvoted and defended, while the opposing views are passionately argued against and even flagged. This is actually a recurring and unhealthy pattern on HN. Expressing male perspective is an easy way to get flagged - even if no hostility is intended (mods please note). Is this how we're going to achieve awareness on gender-specific issues and gender parity?
- grumpy-de-sre 1y agoHonestly it's probably just because the condition responds well to hormonal therapy. If you've got a cheap and effective treatment available for a condition it's hard to justify spending research dollars on digging deeper into it (particularly something as strange as Endometriosis, eg. where do you even start looking). The strong genetic component also makes it somewhat unlikely that it's something we'll be able to ever eliminate completely but perhaps there will one day be targeted drugs that can stop disease progression. It's good to see more research dollars being made available in recent years. There's a lot of other conditions that receive a similar lack of attention, for a common male analogue "chronic pelvic pain syndrome".
- d1sxeyes 1y agoIt doesn’t respond that well. But most patients are told that the next option is invasive surgery and that there are no other choices.
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- unixhero 1y agoOn other areas it's the other way around, breast cancer gets a lot of attention while prostate cancer gets less.
- mattigames 1y agoLike we put money in fixing homelessness, which affects mostly men right? Like we put money in suicide prevention which affects mostly men in every single country in the world? Feminism portrays a heavily distorted view of the world, such movement helped fix fundamental problems like women's voting rights, but it has a tendency for overcorrection and overestimating the number of problems caused by "the patriarchy" that are actually caused by "humans are shitty sometimes about some major issues"
- shakna 1y agoDon't worry, we are susceptible to many pain conditions. Some of which are worse, and some of which women can get, too. And of these more painful conditions the research is... Just as lacking. I do get the desperation for... Something. Anything. Actually Covid saw the biggest research boost - my own is seen as a good control for long covid. A number of autoimmune conditions got similar increased interest. Right up until a political group decided covid research was a nice target. (I've been in pain for 2/3rds of my life. Pain generally described as exceeding childbirth. There is never a lull. There is no treatment that works.)
- pcthrowaway 1y agoI don't know how childbirth compares to the pain that I experienced during an incredibly pronounced bout of tonsilitis I had ~4 months ago, but if it's even 80% as painful, I don't know how one could live with that level of pain non-stop. When I had tonsillitis, the pain was so intense and so persistent until the 3rd day of antibiotics, I was tempted to just throw myself off a bridge to make it stop. Had I been under the impression there was no way to make it stop in a few days, I suspect I would have.
- shakna 1y agoAbout 30% of people who end up with my particular illness, do kill themselves in the first five years. Not that severity of pain makes sense person-to-person. Pain is personal. The worst pain is the worst pain you've ever felt, and it's never surprising if you do something about that. (Your worst pain... Was yours. Is yours. Don't try and compare it. No one else entirely gets what yours was like.) However, if you do survive the first five years... You become unlikely to suicide out of it. You've learnt to live in it. I think the stats on that are fairly similar to endo, from what little research that there is. If you can make it past the first few years of everyone ignoring you and calling you weak, and telling you to suck it up, you are now better prepared to deal with the daily mental siege. (Though you are under siege. And sometimes those walls do collapse, and you're broken again. You can't necessarily take on more, just become you're stronger - you're stronger but you're spending all the extra effort just to stay alive.) But to end on a completely different note, that can make a few people stare: I'm in pain in my dreams, too. I don't remember what it's like without.
- basisword 1y ago>> My Wife has often said, "If Men were susceptible to a similar, or the same disease, it would see far more research and or funding. I wish we would stop turning everything into a competition. As a man with a similar 'tricky' condition I can confirm the medical profession is generally shit with anything tricky regardless of your sex. I have experienced the exact same fight for treatment and investigation that I often read of women experiencing.
- tomhow 1y agoI know your intention was simply to raise the issue of gender biases in medical research resource allocation, but it set off a gender flamewar, and that's just the kind of thing we're trying to avoid on HN. It's important to think about the consequences of the comments we post, and it was predictable that this kind of thing would happen. For what it's worth, I saw the comment earlier and thought "not great but don't want to silence a valid point about gender biases in something as important as medical research", but looking now at the flamewar that's resulted, I'm afraid we just have to uphold the guidelines. Another thought that came to mind when I saw your comment: Over the years I've had my own experiences with illnesses that cause great pain, distress and limitations on life options, and during those times I often had thoughts along the lines of "people in my category with illnesses like this just aren't considered important enough to attract research funding and care for our plight". Having continued to look into the topic very deeply, another explanation arises: conditions like this (complex disorders involving autoimmunity – even of the relatively mild kind that I had) are just very difficult to research, because as soon as you start studying a cohort of patients, it turns out to be very difficult to find consistent factors that explain the condition. My understanding is that endometriosis (and I have learned a little about it from seeing loved ones being diagnosed with it or evaluated for it) is that it's of the same kind; it seems to be at least partially an autoimmune disease (or frequently co-morbid with autoimmune diseases) and, as the article states, it has been found to be extremely difficult to explain, let alone treat. We see similar obstacles with other autoimmune illness like ALS and MS, both of which have had huge amounts of funding over the years but still elude researchers' attempts to even explain them, let alone cure them. It just seems that some illnesses are extremely hard to explain and cure, even with vast amounts of money invested in them, and that's particularly the case with anything involving autoimmunity.
- ddingus 1y ago( removed because I am not in a place to do it right, sorry all)
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