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> drug LSD, which is used to treat conditions like depression, post-traumatic stress disorder and addiction. Wait: I thought LSD is schedule 1, and there are n

> drug LSD, which is used to treat conditions like depression, post-traumatic stress disorder and addiction. Wait: I thought LSD is schedule 1, and there are no legally-sanctioned uses of it? Did something change while I was living under a rock? (Unlike MDMA, where there were legally-sanctioned experiments recently.)

hungmung 1y ago
Here's one, I'm sure there are others: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38042914/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38042914/
AngryData 1y ago
MDMA, magic mushrooms, and cannabis are all also Schedule 1 by US federal law too. All it really takes though to get around it is for a state law to allow it and the state to tell the feds to go fuck themselves and close the door to them and make them challenge it in court if they want to do anything about it, which the feds don't want to do because it would cost ass tons of money to fight in court and would only further prove that drug scheduling is mostly just bullshit and lies.
- QuercusMax 1y ago
  They'd likely have to show they're worse than booze or cigarettes, which is gonna be awfully hard to accomplish.
  - IAmBroom 1y ago
    No such requirement. Ibuprofen would not survive being compared to the danger of alcohol. A shot-glass full of headache pills can be lethal.
    - QuercusMax 1y ago
      Are you confusing ibuprofen with acetaminophen? Lots of stuff that's poisonous is legal, though. You can buy and drink all the drain cleaner you want.
- immibis 1y ago
  The federal government has just shown itself willing to militarily invade states that it doesn't like. (See also the imperial boomerang)
bongodongobob 1y ago
Drug scheduling is complete bullshit and is backed by politics and bronze age protestant beliefs, not science.
- edwardbernays 1y ago
  Fact check: true. It's also completely up to the head of the NHS, who is currently noted drug enthusiast RFK Jr. Here's hoping he'll legalize LSD and mescaline! He's used enough mescaline and spiked enough people's drinks with it, and also forced LSD on his pet birds, so at this point it's pure hypocrisy for him to keep it scheduled. Of course, we should expect everybody to have much better morals and sense about it than he's ever had.
  - wbl 1y ago
    After the dead whale nothing should surprise me but what?
  - dinkumthinkum 1y ago
    Is this really for HN? This is leftist piffle, conspiracy theory, and unsubstantiated allegations. I’m not sure what it adds to the discovery by this undergrad. I don’t know.
    - edwardbernays 1y ago
      "Robert F Kennedy Jr And The Dark Side Of The Dream" by Jerry Oppenheimer, page 54: > Back at the Kennedy compound before summer's end, away from Billings for the time being, he continued his bad behavior, feeding LSD to his parakeet, and forcing his brother David to trip on the psychedelic mescaline. Hallucinating, looking wide- eyed at his brother, he imagined the worst, screaming, "You're dying just like Daddy!" Jerry Oppenheimer is generally considered to be a credible biographer and journalist. That takes care of the charge of "leftist piddle, conspiracy theory, and unsubstantiated allegations." It is not piffle, it is written by a serious reported in a serious biographical piece. It is not a conspiracy theory, for it does not posit any particular conspiracy because typically those require more than one conspirator, and it is about as substantiated as many of the claims RFK Jr himself makes. Having now established the substance of the claim I made, I shall proceed to establish its relevance. RFK Jr has a long history with drugs, as do many politicians. RFK Jr is the head of the HHS. The secretary of the HHS can initiate proceedings to deschedule drugs. It is hypocritical, given his own admitted history with drugs, to continue to imprison people for it. For that matter, we have recently had Elon Musk (a notorious drug enthusiast) involved in the highest levels of government while actively doing copious amounts of illegal drugs. He should be in jail, like everyone else of lesser means who have been victimized by this senseless war on drugs. He won't be imprisoned, because he has money. It is the best evidence we have that the war on drugs is actually a war on the poor. They don't care about drugs, or they'd enforce drug law evenly. Joe Rogan, a self-admitted fan of many schedule 1 hallucinogens, remains a free man in the proto-christian-nationalist state of Texas. It is hypocrisy. It is time to end this war on drugs and move towards a sensible drug policy that is fair for all people and respects our basic freedoms. So, yes, it is for HN, thank you.
chiefalchemist 1y ago
I believe there are religious exceptions allowed. See Michael Pollan’s “How to change your mind.” Book: https://michaelpollan.com/books/how-to-change-your-mind/ https://michaelpollan.com/books/how-to-change-your-mind/ Documentary based on book: https://m.imdb.com/title/tt21062540/ https://m.imdb.com/title/tt21062540/
- gwbas1c 1y ago
  Timothy Leary didn't get to have his!

hungmung 1y ago

Here's one, I'm sure there are others: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38042914/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38042914/

AngryData 1y ago

MDMA, magic mushrooms, and cannabis are all also Schedule 1 by US federal law too. All it really takes though to get around it is for a state law to allow it and the state to tell the feds to go fuck themselves and close the door to them and make them challenge it in court if they want to do anything about it, which the feds don't want to do because it would cost ass tons of money to fight in court and would only further prove that drug scheduling is mostly just bullshit and lies.

QuercusMax 1y ago
They'd likely have to show they're worse than booze or cigarettes, which is gonna be awfully hard to accomplish.
- IAmBroom 1y ago
  No such requirement. Ibuprofen would not survive being compared to the danger of alcohol. A shot-glass full of headache pills can be lethal.
  - QuercusMax 1y ago
    Are you confusing ibuprofen with acetaminophen? Lots of stuff that's poisonous is legal, though. You can buy and drink all the drain cleaner you want.
immibis 1y ago
The federal government has just shown itself willing to militarily invade states that it doesn't like. (See also the imperial boomerang)

bongodongobob 1y ago

Drug scheduling is complete bullshit and is backed by politics and bronze age protestant beliefs, not science.

edwardbernays 1y ago
Fact check: true. It's also completely up to the head of the NHS, who is currently noted drug enthusiast RFK Jr. Here's hoping he'll legalize LSD and mescaline! He's used enough mescaline and spiked enough people's drinks with it, and also forced LSD on his pet birds, so at this point it's pure hypocrisy for him to keep it scheduled. Of course, we should expect everybody to have much better morals and sense about it than he's ever had.
- wbl 1y ago
  After the dead whale nothing should surprise me but what?
- dinkumthinkum 1y ago
  Is this really for HN? This is leftist piffle, conspiracy theory, and unsubstantiated allegations. I’m not sure what it adds to the discovery by this undergrad. I don’t know.
  - edwardbernays 1y ago
    "Robert F Kennedy Jr And The Dark Side Of The Dream" by Jerry Oppenheimer, page 54: > Back at the Kennedy compound before summer's end, away from Billings for the time being, he continued his bad behavior, feeding LSD to his parakeet, and forcing his brother David to trip on the psychedelic mescaline. Hallucinating, looking wide- eyed at his brother, he imagined the worst, screaming, "You're dying just like Daddy!" Jerry Oppenheimer is generally considered to be a credible biographer and journalist. That takes care of the charge of "leftist piddle, conspiracy theory, and unsubstantiated allegations." It is not piffle, it is written by a serious reported in a serious biographical piece. It is not a conspiracy theory, for it does not posit any particular conspiracy because typically those require more than one conspirator, and it is about as substantiated as many of the claims RFK Jr himself makes. Having now established the substance of the claim I made, I shall proceed to establish its relevance. RFK Jr has a long history with drugs, as do many politicians. RFK Jr is the head of the HHS. The secretary of the HHS can initiate proceedings to deschedule drugs. It is hypocritical, given his own admitted history with drugs, to continue to imprison people for it. For that matter, we have recently had Elon Musk (a notorious drug enthusiast) involved in the highest levels of government while actively doing copious amounts of illegal drugs. He should be in jail, like everyone else of lesser means who have been victimized by this senseless war on drugs. He won't be imprisoned, because he has money. It is the best evidence we have that the war on drugs is actually a war on the poor. They don't care about drugs, or they'd enforce drug law evenly. Joe Rogan, a self-admitted fan of many schedule 1 hallucinogens, remains a free man in the proto-christian-nationalist state of Texas. It is hypocrisy. It is time to end this war on drugs and move towards a sensible drug policy that is fair for all people and respects our basic freedoms. So, yes, it is for HN, thank you.

chiefalchemist 1y ago

I believe there are religious exceptions allowed. See Michael Pollan’s “How to change your mind.” Book: https://michaelpollan.com/books/how-to-change-your-mind/ https://michaelpollan.com/books/how-to-change-your-mind/ Documentary based on book: https://m.imdb.com/title/tt21062540/ https://m.imdb.com/title/tt21062540/

gwbas1c 1y ago
Timothy Leary didn't get to have his!