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What a waste of time, OS X has a usable, stable graphical interface, Ubuntu doesn't ( a lot of the lack of usability comes from the lack of quality of third-par

What a waste of time, OS X has a usable, stable graphical interface, Ubuntu doesn't ( a lot of the lack of usability comes from the lack of quality of third-party apps ). The only use for Ubuntu is as a server, which means testing things for speed that are server related. And only on a Mini. And yes, I've tried both Ubuntu 12.04 and OS X 10.8 for several days as my only work-based machine to road test both properly.

shell0x 14y ago
I will migrate my Macbook to Ubuntu soon :)The latest Ubuntu is ok with a few modifications.
mhd 14y ago
If only it were stable, given the skeuomorphic crimes of recent releases and the whole full-screen/unified-expose&virtual-desktop debacle. Not that Ubuntu/Unity fares better in that department, but right now, all the major players aren't really doing a swell job with their desktops.
calinet6 14y ago
You're going to get flack for that opinion, but you have a point. The truth is, Unity sucks. A lot. Even after you get used to it. It was a poor decision by a set of developers out of touch with reality or their user-base, and it's only beginning to recover and move in the right direction slowly. Everyone I know is migrating to Mint and Xfce/KDE4/Cinnamon (Gnome 3 fork), and with good reason. OSX is still way ahead of the curve, but Linux (not necessarily only Ubuntu) still has a chance. The idea of Linux is still great: we're hackers, so if you feel there's a problem, help fix it. Not easy, but the fact that you can is pretty cool.
- davidjgraph 14y ago
  Oh yeah, the Ubuntu fanboys will be busy. But seriously, I need my main work machine to just work (TM). I need audio to work without a 4 second lag on skype (I know that's skype's fault). I need Eclipse to default to fonts that I don't notice, rather than spending 20 minutes tweaking. I need Teamviewer to work correctly when I have 2 monitors on Ubuntu. I know that's off-topic, but I really think everyone/thing Ubuntu related should be focusing on the fact that the desktop doesn't cut it, the OA is off-topic if you like. When you write software, you write it first, properly, then worry about optimization when it's functional (with a few exceptions). If it doesn't do its job, who cares that it can unzip twice as fast.
  - wtetzner 14y ago
    "I really think everyone/thing Ubuntu related should be focusing on the fact that the desktop doesn't cut it" So, the problem with this is that what you think is important might not be what other Ubuntu users think is important. Also, I've installed Ubuntu 12.04 on my MacBook Pro, and it _just worked_ (TM) out of the box. "If it doesn't do its job, who cares that it can unzip twice as fast." Unless of course you're day to day work involves unzipping large amounts of data, in which case it ends up being important.
sixbrx 14y ago
OS X does have a slick interface, but that interface is not very configurable (as opposed to say KDE4). When it works for you, it works well, when it doesn't there's not a lot you can do about it. Also there's more and better and easier access to Unix tools on Ubuntu, just about everything is an apt-get install away. I've used third party package systems for OS X but it looks like there's no clear winner among them at least last time I looked, and some software just isn't available in recent versions without compiling or troublshooting it yourself, which I find to be a big waste of time. YMMV.
lumberjack 14y ago
Whether you find OS X usable or not is subjective. I personally don't, preferring window managers over fully fledged desktop environments and such. In any case at least GNU/Linux distros can easily be customized to fit one's needs. That's an important factor in the software usability metric that is often forgotten.

shell0x 14y ago

I will migrate my Macbook to Ubuntu soon :)The latest Ubuntu is ok with a few modifications.

mhd 14y ago

If only it were stable, given the skeuomorphic crimes of recent releases and the whole full-screen/unified-expose&virtual-desktop debacle. Not that Ubuntu/Unity fares better in that department, but right now, all the major players aren't really doing a swell job with their desktops.

calinet6 14y ago

You're going to get flack for that opinion, but you have a point. The truth is, Unity sucks. A lot. Even after you get used to it. It was a poor decision by a set of developers out of touch with reality or their user-base, and it's only beginning to recover and move in the right direction slowly. Everyone I know is migrating to Mint and Xfce/KDE4/Cinnamon (Gnome 3 fork), and with good reason. OSX is still way ahead of the curve, but Linux (not necessarily only Ubuntu) still has a chance. The idea of Linux is still great: we're hackers, so if you feel there's a problem, help fix it. Not easy, but the fact that you can is pretty cool.

davidjgraph 14y ago
Oh yeah, the Ubuntu fanboys will be busy. But seriously, I need my main work machine to just work (TM). I need audio to work without a 4 second lag on skype (I know that's skype's fault). I need Eclipse to default to fonts that I don't notice, rather than spending 20 minutes tweaking. I need Teamviewer to work correctly when I have 2 monitors on Ubuntu. I know that's off-topic, but I really think everyone/thing Ubuntu related should be focusing on the fact that the desktop doesn't cut it, the OA is off-topic if you like. When you write software, you write it first, properly, then worry about optimization when it's functional (with a few exceptions). If it doesn't do its job, who cares that it can unzip twice as fast.
- wtetzner 14y ago
  "I really think everyone/thing Ubuntu related should be focusing on the fact that the desktop doesn't cut it" So, the problem with this is that what you think is important might not be what other Ubuntu users think is important. Also, I've installed Ubuntu 12.04 on my MacBook Pro, and it _just worked_ (TM) out of the box. "If it doesn't do its job, who cares that it can unzip twice as fast." Unless of course you're day to day work involves unzipping large amounts of data, in which case it ends up being important.

sixbrx 14y ago

OS X does have a slick interface, but that interface is not very configurable (as opposed to say KDE4). When it works for you, it works well, when it doesn't there's not a lot you can do about it. Also there's more and better and easier access to Unix tools on Ubuntu, just about everything is an apt-get install away. I've used third party package systems for OS X but it looks like there's no clear winner among them at least last time I looked, and some software just isn't available in recent versions without compiling or troublshooting it yourself, which I find to be a big waste of time. YMMV.

lumberjack 14y ago

Whether you find OS X usable or not is subjective. I personally don't, preferring window managers over fully fledged desktop environments and such. In any case at least GNU/Linux distros can easily be customized to fit one's needs. That's an important factor in the software usability metric that is often forgotten.