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> because Hamas invaded Israel And why did they do that? It's like gang warfare, never ending. It started long before Hamas and we've all lost track of why so
by thunky 1y ago
> because Hamas invaded Israel
And why did they do that? It's like gang warfare, never ending. It started long before Hamas and we've all lost track of why so finger pointing only makes it worse.
- UltraSane 1y ago[flagged]
- thunky 1y ago[flagged]
- UltraSane 1y ago[flagged]
- thunky 1y ago> The difference is I'm correct and you are not. This is the kind of thinking that keeps this insanity going on forever. You're demonstrating my point: we've lost track of "who started it" and it doesn't even matter now. It's too easy for each side to claim it's the other side's fault. They both have legitimate reasons to so it's easy to get support for those claims, too. But I would argue that correct vs incorrect is entirely irrelevant. Nothing you or I can say can justify their actions.
- UltraSane 1y agoYou obviously haven't read the Hamas charter in which Hamas says their goal is the destruction of Israel.
- thunky 1y agoYou're doing it again. For every point you make about Hamas I could match you with one about Israel. But what's the point?
- UltraSane 1y ago" I could match you with one about Israel" The point is you would not be correct. Hamas wants to end the existence of Israel but lacks the ability. Israel wants to coexist with Gaza but Hamas doesn't want that.
- thunky 1y ago> The point is you would not be correct. You know I'm wrong before I even say anything? That's...impressive.
- UltraSane 1y agoYes. Because your fundamental premise that Hamas and Israel have the same goals is false.
- thunky 1y agoI didn't know what you're talking about. I never once commented on either of their goals, or who was right or wrong. That was my entire point. So either you are not following the conversation or you are trolling. Have a nice day.
- UltraSane 1y agoYou say you can match any claim I make about Hamas with an equivalent one about Israel. I say that yes but my statement about Hamas would be factual while yours would not be because Hamas really does want to destroy Israel while Israel just wants coexistence with Palestinians. At its core Hamas is an Islamic Theocratic Supremacists group that truly hates Jews. Just read their charter.
- snatekay 1y ago> And why did they do that? Because in 2023 Saudi Arabia, one of Iran’s most powerful enemies in the region, was expressing willingness to normalize relations with Israel. So Iran orchestrated attacks via its proxies, Hamas and Hezbollah, in order to torpedo the normalization process. (People forget that Hamas wasn’t the only one attacking Israel in October 2023—beginning October 8th Hezbollah began firing rockets and artillery into northern Israel, forcing over 90,000 Israelis to flee for safety.)
- bakuninsbart 1y agoIsraeli and american intelligence agree that Iran was not aware of the October 7th attack. Hamas did that by themselves. In hindsight we also know that Israel thoroughly infiltrated the Iranian forces, so if they had known, Israel would have known in advance as well.