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Bureaucracy at it finest in terms of user ease of use. 1.1.1.1, 9.9.9.9, 8.8.8.8 and they came up with IP's that can't be more random. Perfect example how one

by sp0ck 1y ago

Bureaucracy at it finest in terms of user ease of use. 1.1.1.1, 9.9.9.9, 8.8.8.8 and they came up with IP's that can't be more random. Perfect example how one can destroy whole concept with bad user experience.

NKosmatos 1y ago
I totally agree. When you go into that much trouble of creating an alternative (safer) EU DNS, try at least to make it user memorable by using easy IPs. I don5 understand why other HN users have downvoted your comment.
- ale42 1y ago
  Would be cool, but it's very very hard to get such a memorable IP. And it costs a lot of money. Those who own such IPs wont give them away so easily. So unless you get a donation of such an IP address (actually more a block of IPs, like Quad9 who got 9.9.9.0/24 from IBM, see e.g. https://www.reddit.com/r/privacytoolsIO/comments/llqd7h/quad9_move_to_switzerland/ https://www.reddit.com/r/privacytoolsIO/comments/llqd7h/quad...), or have a lot of money... you'll probably be out of luck.
- kstrauser 1y ago
  Because I set DNS approximately once per LAN that I build, when I configure its DHCP. The pretty IPs are cool, but this isn’t something I type more than once per year or so.
- nottorp 1y ago
  ... a small non profit doesn't have eithe Google's or Cloudflare's money. Could you afford 4.4.4.4?
klabb3 1y ago
> Bureaucracy at it finest I truly don’t get this. Is it a Europe = bureaucracy take? > they came up with IP's that can't be more random Came up with? I imagine those novelty IPs are extremely difficult and expensive to acquire. That said I 100% agree memorable IPs is very useful for DNS config.
- notpushkin 1y ago
  1.1.1.1 was initially a joint research project between Cloudflare and APNIC: https://labs.apnic.net/index.php/2018/04/01/apnic-labs-enters-into-a-research-agreement-with-cloudflare/ https://labs.apnic.net/index.php/2018/04/01/apnic-labs-enter...
yabatopia 1y ago
In a lot of use cases you only need to change the host name. https://dns0.eu/ https://dns0.eu/ or dns0.eu is not that difficult to remember. The ip addresses are indeed not memorable, but users who change the settings of their routers won’t have too much trouble copy and pasting an IP address once or twice. Save it in a password manager and you’re done. Bureaucracy has nothing to do with it, it’s a matter of resources.
nbernard 1y ago
As I understand it, dns0.eu is run by a french non-profit and has no actual connection with the EU.
1vuio0pswjnm7 1y ago
Curious if 127.127.127.127 passes or fails the "ease of use" or "bad user experience" tests. For example cat > rinetd.conf <<eof logfile rinetd.log logcommon 127.127.127.127 53/udp 95.130.17.218 53/udp [timeout=3] eof rinetd -c rinetd.conf echo nameseserver 127.127.127.127 > /etc/resolv.conf drill example.com https://github.com/samhocevar/rinetd https://github.com/samhocevar/rinetd

by sp0ck 1y ago

NKosmatos 1y ago

I totally agree. When you go into that much trouble of creating an alternative (safer) EU DNS, try at least to make it user memorable by using easy IPs. I don5 understand why other HN users have downvoted your comment.

ale42 1y ago
Would be cool, but it's very very hard to get such a memorable IP. And it costs a lot of money. Those who own such IPs wont give them away so easily. So unless you get a donation of such an IP address (actually more a block of IPs, like Quad9 who got 9.9.9.0/24 from IBM, see e.g. https://www.reddit.com/r/privacytoolsIO/comments/llqd7h/quad9_move_to_switzerland/ https://www.reddit.com/r/privacytoolsIO/comments/llqd7h/quad...), or have a lot of money... you'll probably be out of luck.
kstrauser 1y ago
Because I set DNS approximately once per LAN that I build, when I configure its DHCP. The pretty IPs are cool, but this isn’t something I type more than once per year or so.
nottorp 1y ago
... a small non profit doesn't have eithe Google's or Cloudflare's money. Could you afford 4.4.4.4?

klabb3 1y ago

> Bureaucracy at it finest I truly don’t get this. Is it a Europe = bureaucracy take? > they came up with IP's that can't be more random Came up with? I imagine those novelty IPs are extremely difficult and expensive to acquire. That said I 100% agree memorable IPs is very useful for DNS config.

notpushkin 1y ago
1.1.1.1 was initially a joint research project between Cloudflare and APNIC: https://labs.apnic.net/index.php/2018/04/01/apnic-labs-enters-into-a-research-agreement-with-cloudflare/ https://labs.apnic.net/index.php/2018/04/01/apnic-labs-enter...

yabatopia 1y ago

In a lot of use cases you only need to change the host name. https://dns0.eu/ https://dns0.eu/ or dns0.eu is not that difficult to remember. The ip addresses are indeed not memorable, but users who change the settings of their routers won’t have too much trouble copy and pasting an IP address once or twice. Save it in a password manager and you’re done. Bureaucracy has nothing to do with it, it’s a matter of resources.

nbernard 1y ago

As I understand it, dns0.eu is run by a french non-profit and has no actual connection with the EU.

1vuio0pswjnm7 1y ago

Curious if 127.127.127.127 passes or fails the "ease of use" or "bad user experience" tests. For example cat > rinetd.conf <<eof logfile rinetd.log logcommon 127.127.127.127 53/udp 95.130.17.218 53/udp [timeout=3] eof rinetd -c rinetd.conf echo nameseserver 127.127.127.127 > /etc/resolv.conf drill example.com https://github.com/samhocevar/rinetd https://github.com/samhocevar/rinetd