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Apple and Samsung both get South Korea bans

40 points by tpatke 14y ago

nnnnni 14y ago
Apple, Samsung: You have been banned from r/pyongyang.
- klez 14y ago
  Pyongyang is in North Korea. Here we are talking about South Korea. It's not like United States where California and Minnesota are under the same govt. These are really two countries, like USA and Canada.
- zacharycohn 14y ago
  This is not reddit.
calciphus 14y ago
Odd - I haven't seen anywhere else what the "limited ban" constitutes or entails. Are the no-longer-sold Samsung phones "banned" in any meaningful way, or just until they pay $22k?
- v0cab 14y ago
  Samsung has a wider product range than Apple. If the same number of presently-sold products of both companies are banned, it will have a bigger effect on Apple. This is South Korea, owned by Samsung. Samsung are absolutely not going to be punished in any meaningful way in South Korea.
rheide 14y ago
IDIOTS. This only hurts the potential buyers.
andyking 14y ago
I'll likely get downvoted so far I pop up in New Zealand for this - but zzzzz. These expensive spats between huge companies just aren't interesting, or in any way relevant, to my life or business. They're just billion-dollar corporations flexing their muscles and making lawyers a bit richer every day. Every other day now, it seems like we get a story about some shiny flashing trinket or other being 'banned' by some judge in $country, or one massive corporation suing another over three lines of code, or something. It just feels like irrelevant corporate politicking between super-rich corporations, and doesn't have any grounding in the real world.
- vibrunazo 14y ago
  > It just feels like irrelevant corporate politicking between super-rich corporations, and doesn't have any grounding in the real world. "the largest punishment for those who are not interested in politics, is that they'll be governed by those who are." - Arnold Toynbee These irrelevant politicking with no grounding in the real world, directly affects the revenue of app developers in the opposite side of the globe.
- ximeng 14y ago
  Downvoted for breaking guidelines. From http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html "Please don't bait other users by inviting them to downmod you."
  - Tyrannosaurs 14y ago
    I read it that he's saying he expects people are going to disagree and down vote rather than encouraging it - the difference between "I expect this is doing to go down badly" and "I don't care what you all think".
    - bornhuetter 14y ago
      "I know I'm going to get downvoted for this" is not appropriate on HN.
- dmbaggett 14y ago
  In another thread on this general topic, someone made what I think is the best point about why these cases are relevant to small developers: the patent system has now gotten so absurd that it seems everyone is infringing everything; so now the incumbents will simply settle with each other and use the patent system as a way to hamper new entrants. Essentially, when these cases end up with both sides infringing, it simply strengthens the position of patent trolls and incumbents, while doing nothing in practice to harm distribution of any of the incumbents' products. It's not like either Apple or Samsung are really going to not distribute their products in South Korea. But could they enjoin a new entrant from doing so with this case as precedent? You bet. This just made entering the phone/tablet market in South Korea a lot more expensive.
josteink 14y ago
Interesting judgement and certainly not the one I expected, in the sense of South Korea punishing its own. If the US lawsuit had the same result, you might see Apple's stance on patent-trolling reversing quite, quite quickly. Their only (significant) market these days is iOS-related, and if they got iOS devices banned left and right as a punishment for playing the patent-trolling game, they might learn that patent reform would be beneficial to them as well. Not that I see that happening, but then again I never saw this coming either. You never know. A man is allowed to dream. Etc.
emehrkay 14y ago
Is this simply an attempt to affect the outcome of the US trial?
BklynJay 14y ago
Apple, Samsung, THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS!

40 points by tpatke 14y ago

nnnnni 14y ago

Apple, Samsung: You have been banned from r/pyongyang.

klez 14y ago
Pyongyang is in North Korea. Here we are talking about South Korea. It's not like United States where California and Minnesota are under the same govt. These are really two countries, like USA and Canada.
zacharycohn 14y ago
This is not reddit.

calciphus 14y ago

Odd - I haven't seen anywhere else what the "limited ban" constitutes or entails. Are the no-longer-sold Samsung phones "banned" in any meaningful way, or just until they pay $22k?

v0cab 14y ago
Samsung has a wider product range than Apple. If the same number of presently-sold products of both companies are banned, it will have a bigger effect on Apple. This is South Korea, owned by Samsung. Samsung are absolutely not going to be punished in any meaningful way in South Korea.

rheide 14y ago

IDIOTS. This only hurts the potential buyers.

andyking 14y ago

I'll likely get downvoted so far I pop up in New Zealand for this - but zzzzz. These expensive spats between huge companies just aren't interesting, or in any way relevant, to my life or business. They're just billion-dollar corporations flexing their muscles and making lawyers a bit richer every day. Every other day now, it seems like we get a story about some shiny flashing trinket or other being 'banned' by some judge in $country, or one massive corporation suing another over three lines of code, or something. It just feels like irrelevant corporate politicking between super-rich corporations, and doesn't have any grounding in the real world.

vibrunazo 14y ago
> It just feels like irrelevant corporate politicking between super-rich corporations, and doesn't have any grounding in the real world. "the largest punishment for those who are not interested in politics, is that they'll be governed by those who are." - Arnold Toynbee These irrelevant politicking with no grounding in the real world, directly affects the revenue of app developers in the opposite side of the globe.
ximeng 14y ago
Downvoted for breaking guidelines. From http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html "Please don't bait other users by inviting them to downmod you."
- Tyrannosaurs 14y ago
  I read it that he's saying he expects people are going to disagree and down vote rather than encouraging it - the difference between "I expect this is doing to go down badly" and "I don't care what you all think".
  - bornhuetter 14y ago
    "I know I'm going to get downvoted for this" is not appropriate on HN.
dmbaggett 14y ago
In another thread on this general topic, someone made what I think is the best point about why these cases are relevant to small developers: the patent system has now gotten so absurd that it seems everyone is infringing everything; so now the incumbents will simply settle with each other and use the patent system as a way to hamper new entrants. Essentially, when these cases end up with both sides infringing, it simply strengthens the position of patent trolls and incumbents, while doing nothing in practice to harm distribution of any of the incumbents' products. It's not like either Apple or Samsung are really going to not distribute their products in South Korea. But could they enjoin a new entrant from doing so with this case as precedent? You bet. This just made entering the phone/tablet market in South Korea a lot more expensive.

josteink 14y ago

Interesting judgement and certainly not the one I expected, in the sense of South Korea punishing its own. If the US lawsuit had the same result, you might see Apple's stance on patent-trolling reversing quite, quite quickly. Their only (significant) market these days is iOS-related, and if they got iOS devices banned left and right as a punishment for playing the patent-trolling game, they might learn that patent reform would be beneficial to them as well. Not that I see that happening, but then again I never saw this coming either. You never know. A man is allowed to dream. Etc.

emehrkay 14y ago

Is this simply an attempt to affect the outcome of the US trial?

BklynJay 14y ago

Apple, Samsung, THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS!