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It is quite clear that ever since Yassar Arafat walked away from a deal with Israel during Clinton’s Presidency Israel has deliberately made Gaza and most of th

It is quite clear that ever since Yassar Arafat walked away from a deal with Israel during Clinton’s Presidency Israel has deliberately made Gaza and most of the West Bank a giant prison. Over the last 50 years far more Palestinians have been killed by Israel than Israelis killed by Palestinians. Palestinians have no navy, air force, tanks, or helicopters. The power differential between the two sides is vastly in Israel’s favor.

youngtaff 1y ago
Arafat walked away because the ‘peace’ plan didn’t produce a viable state – West Bank was divided up in smaller enclaves An Israeli they killed then own Prime Minister because he was willing to make peace
- mongol 1y ago
  In my assessment, the assasination of Rabin is one the most successful assassinations in history, in terms of achieving the objectives of the assasin.
  - youngtaff 1y ago
    Yup, but consider how much death and injury that action has caused
  - mrguyorama 1y ago
    Why? Israel has had plenty of votes since then to elect another Prime Minister who would push for peace. Why is this considered a success of one assassin instead of a failure of a broad democratic electorate to push for peaceful resolution? In fact, the protests against Netenyahu and young people refusing to serve the IDF shows that Israel was trying to push for peace internally. Then Hamas decided to attack a music festival of teenagers and young adults who want a free palestine. They spent over a year planning this operation all to kill a bunch of Israeli's who didn't exactly disagree with their cause. If Hamas hadn't attacked, Bibi might already be in prison. You know, I'm not convinced Hamas wants peace any more than Bibi does.
    - tguvot 1y ago
      multiple rounds of negotiations happened after rabin death. camp david in 2000 for example which resulted in second intifada. taba. etc. negotiations continued till 2013 or so. even Netanyahu, which was elected after Rabin death signed follow up agreements to Oslo as result of which Israel handed over Hebron and additional areas in west bank to PA. It wasn't failure of "broad democratic electorate to push for peaceful resolution" but violence of second intifada and non-compliance of PA with oslo accords from very beginning: http://israelvisit.co.il/BehindTheNews/WhitePaper.htm http://israelvisit.co.il/BehindTheNews/WhitePaper.htm
      - youngtaff 1y ago
        That’s link is a highly polarised view of what happened
- redczar 1y ago
  I’m not claiming it was a good deal. I’m claiming that since he walked away from the deal Israel has decided that it will slowly consume all of the West Bank and make living there and in Gaza a hell for Palestinians. It’s a slow genocide. Though now in Gaza it’s been sped up.
  - UltraSane 1y ago
    It was in fact a fantastic deal the Palestinians were fools to reject it.
- tguvot 1y ago
  https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/map-of-actual-proposal-offered-at-camp-david https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/map-of-actual-proposal-...
  - youngtaff 1y ago
    If you look at the rest of the maps https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/maps-from-the-2000-camp-david-summit https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/maps-from-the-2000-camp... You’ll see the one you posted was unrepresentative of what was actually on the table and what the Israeli’s would agree too wouldn’t deliver a viable state and it was divided up by Israeli roads and other security apparatus https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/map-of-the-israeli-offer-for-west-bank-final-status https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/map-of-the-israeli-offe...

youngtaff 1y ago

Arafat walked away because the ‘peace’ plan didn’t produce a viable state – West Bank was divided up in smaller enclaves An Israeli they killed then own Prime Minister because he was willing to make peace

mongol 1y ago
In my assessment, the assasination of Rabin is one the most successful assassinations in history, in terms of achieving the objectives of the assasin.
- youngtaff 1y ago
  Yup, but consider how much death and injury that action has caused
- mrguyorama 1y ago
  Why? Israel has had plenty of votes since then to elect another Prime Minister who would push for peace. Why is this considered a success of one assassin instead of a failure of a broad democratic electorate to push for peaceful resolution? In fact, the protests against Netenyahu and young people refusing to serve the IDF shows that Israel was trying to push for peace internally. Then Hamas decided to attack a music festival of teenagers and young adults who want a free palestine. They spent over a year planning this operation all to kill a bunch of Israeli's who didn't exactly disagree with their cause. If Hamas hadn't attacked, Bibi might already be in prison. You know, I'm not convinced Hamas wants peace any more than Bibi does.
  - tguvot 1y ago
    multiple rounds of negotiations happened after rabin death. camp david in 2000 for example which resulted in second intifada. taba. etc. negotiations continued till 2013 or so. even Netanyahu, which was elected after Rabin death signed follow up agreements to Oslo as result of which Israel handed over Hebron and additional areas in west bank to PA. It wasn't failure of "broad democratic electorate to push for peaceful resolution" but violence of second intifada and non-compliance of PA with oslo accords from very beginning: http://israelvisit.co.il/BehindTheNews/WhitePaper.htm http://israelvisit.co.il/BehindTheNews/WhitePaper.htm
    - youngtaff 1y ago
      That’s link is a highly polarised view of what happened
redczar 1y ago
I’m not claiming it was a good deal. I’m claiming that since he walked away from the deal Israel has decided that it will slowly consume all of the West Bank and make living there and in Gaza a hell for Palestinians. It’s a slow genocide. Though now in Gaza it’s been sped up.
- UltraSane 1y ago
  It was in fact a fantastic deal the Palestinians were fools to reject it.
tguvot 1y ago
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/map-of-actual-proposal-offered-at-camp-david https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/map-of-actual-proposal-...
- youngtaff 1y ago
  If you look at the rest of the maps https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/maps-from-the-2000-camp-david-summit https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/maps-from-the-2000-camp... You’ll see the one you posted was unrepresentative of what was actually on the table and what the Israeli’s would agree too wouldn’t deliver a viable state and it was divided up by Israeli roads and other security apparatus https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/map-of-the-israeli-offer-for-west-bank-final-status https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/map-of-the-israeli-offe...