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And those missile attacks were in response to Israel's unrelenting and brutal genocide in Gaza, so the 'preemptive' term is still nonsense.
by cempaka 1y ago
And those missile attacks were in response to Israel's unrelenting and brutal genocide in Gaza, so the 'preemptive' term is still nonsense.
- UltraSane 1y agoWhy is Israel in Gaza? Oh yeh, because Hamas invaded Israel on Oct 7 2023 and killed 1,200 people. To put that death toll in perspective, it would be like a Mexican Cartel invading the US and killing 41,000 people. For China it would be 174,000 people.
- ty6853 1y ago'Put it in perspective' https://visualizingpalestine.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/b37ba59fcf74f3b091addbcf8af349ac-scaled.jpg https://visualizingpalestine.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/...
- tguvot 1y agoPut in in perspective https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rocket_Attacks_fired_at_Israel_from_the_Gaza_Strip_by_year.png https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rocket_Attacks_fired_at...
- cempaka 1y ago[flagged]
- tguvot 1y agoIf you will have a closer look, rocket attacks started to climb up after Israel left Gaza. There was expression during the disengagement process from Gaza: Palestinians can build either Singapore or Somali. It's their choice to make. They made choice in 2006 when they elected hamas. You can see on graph how Hamas elected to use resources
- cempaka 1y agoA less militant government would have simply been rolled by the rabid dog that is the Israeli state sooner. The eliminationist ethnocentrism from both officials and citizenry has been consistent and not at all hidden.
- UltraSane 1y agoRolled like The West Bank? Hamas's stated goal is to destroy Israel. You pro-Palestinian types are always so hypocritical.
- gxnxcxcx 1y agoAnd why, pray tell, was Hamas the only organization wielding some semblance of power in Gaza in 2023?
- tguvot 1y agobecause usa forced elections to palestine assembly in 2006 despite objections of israel and pa government (which was afraid that hamas that will win). when hamas won, usa was horrified by outcome and "sponsored" PA security forces to get rid of hamas in gaza, but hamas prevailed and killed everybody who were against (throwing from buildings, dragging behind bikes) it or tortured them into submission
- UltraSane 1y agoBecause Hamas gleefully kills anyone who opposes them.
- computerthings 1y ago[dead]
- maeil 1y agoIsrael is in Gaza because they have funded and supported Hamas, in the hope they would use those funds to invade them, giving them pretext for a genocide. “Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas … This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.” - Benjamin Netanyahu [1] [1] https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/20/benjamin-netanyahu-hamas-israel-prime-minister https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/20/benjam...
- UltraSane 1y ago[flagged]
- dlubarov 1y agoIt's an unverified quote which Netanyahu denied saying. In any case, Israel never funded Hamas as many claim; they allowed aid from Qatar which is pretty different.
- tguvot 1y agoI'll add that Israel allowed aid from Qatar after pressure from west and headlines in mass media that hundreds of thousands are going to starve in gaza if israel won't allow money from qatar. the underlaying issues was that after PA tried to depose Hamas in Gaza and failed, it stopped paying salaries to everybody so Gaza was broke
- redczar 1y agoIt is quite clear that ever since Yassar Arafat walked away from a deal with Israel during Clinton’s Presidency Israel has deliberately made Gaza and most of the West Bank a giant prison. Over the last 50 years far more Palestinians have been killed by Israel than Israelis killed by Palestinians. Palestinians have no navy, air force, tanks, or helicopters. The power differential between the two sides is vastly in Israel’s favor.
- youngtaff 1y agoArafat walked away because the ‘peace’ plan didn’t produce a viable state – West Bank was divided up in smaller enclaves An Israeli they killed then own Prime Minister because he was willing to make peace
- mongol 1y agoIn my assessment, the assasination of Rabin is one the most successful assassinations in history, in terms of achieving the objectives of the assasin.
- youngtaff 1y agoYup, but consider how much death and injury that action has caused
- mrguyorama 1y agoWhy? Israel has had plenty of votes since then to elect another Prime Minister who would push for peace. Why is this considered a success of one assassin instead of a failure of a broad democratic electorate to push for peaceful resolution? In fact, the protests against Netenyahu and young people refusing to serve the IDF shows that Israel was trying to push for peace internally. Then Hamas decided to attack a music festival of teenagers and young adults who want a free palestine. They spent over a year planning this operation all to kill a bunch of Israeli's who didn't exactly disagree with their cause. If Hamas hadn't attacked, Bibi might already be in prison. You know, I'm not convinced Hamas wants peace any more than Bibi does.
- NoLinkToMe 1y agoThen 100x those figures and you find the proportion that Israel killed in Gaza versus its population, significantly women and children, for perspective.
- HDThoreaun 1y ago[flagged]
- cempaka 1y agoHitler said "lebensraum" was for 'security' too. It did not in fact make Germany more secure, and the same will ultimately prove true for Israel's very transparent attempts to use the Oct 7 ghetto uprising as a pretext to ethnically cleanse Gaza.
- ty6853 1y agoIt was a gamble, if Japan hadn't bombed Pearl Harbor it certainly seems possible Germany would have taken most of Europe and had enough juice left over that their Russian incursions wouldn't have been fatal.
- HDThoreaun 1y ago> It did not in fact make Germany more secure Yes, focus on this part, not the lopsided casualty count. Much more convincing argument.
- cempaka 1y agoI find the crimes against humanity more persuasive than concerns for the security of an irredeemable ethnostate but you do you.
- redczar 1y agoWhen a people are oppressed and suppressed enough they fight back. People fight back using methods that are available to them. Palestinians have been systematically oppressed by Israel. Gaza is basically a giant prison. The people there have no navy, tanks, helicopters, or air force. They did inflict some damage. The response has been so disproportionate that it is rightfully viewed as immoral. Palestinians deserve peace and pursuit of happiness too. So do Israelis. One side has that much greater than the other and one side has been denying the other side those things for decades.
- thunky 1y ago> because Hamas invaded Israel And why did they do that? It's like gang warfare, never ending. It started long before Hamas and we've all lost track of why so finger pointing only makes it worse.
- UltraSane 1y ago[flagged]
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- thunky 1y ago> The difference is I'm correct and you are not. This is the kind of thinking that keeps this insanity going on forever. You're demonstrating my point: we've lost track of "who started it" and it doesn't even matter now. It's too easy for each side to claim it's the other side's fault. They both have legitimate reasons to so it's easy to get support for those claims, too. But I would argue that correct vs incorrect is entirely irrelevant. Nothing you or I can say can justify their actions.