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Ethnic/religious persecution amongst other ethnic/religious groups being the origin of Jewish strife is literally the ideology written by Herzl in the groundwor

by ty6853 1y ago

Ethnic/religious persecution amongst other ethnic/religious groups being the origin of Jewish strife is literally the ideology written by Herzl in the groundwork that argued for Israel, noting incompatibility with living amongst other ethnic groups in Europe, and I would note somewhat accurately considering the Nazis (and others) indeed went on an ethnically aligned campaign to kill them all off. Unwittingly, you are arguing the foundation of Israel is Nazi ideology.

kennywinker 1y ago
> Unwittingly, you are arguing the foundation of Israel is Nazi ideology. You don’t say?? A state that can only exist as the result of ethnic cleansing? A state that is currently committing numerous acts of genocide? Huhhh.
- ty6853 1y ago
  Lol so all that just to decide we agree with each other.
  - kennywinker 1y ago
    We agree that the ideology you are spouting is similar to the ideas that underpin nazism, and justifies genocide in the name of peace. After that, we have nothing else we agree on, because your ideology is based on a false description of reality.
    - ty6853 1y ago
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      - kennywinker 1y ago
        You’ve created a false choice between endless war and peace thru genocide. Both have been enacted by israel. Pre-oct-7th “trimming the weeds” israel, and the post-oct-7th ethnic cleansing of gaza. The problem isn’t which option you chose - the problem is the framework of the choice is based on a lie and leads to evil actions either choice.
        ty6853 1y ago
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- davidf18 1y ago
  Not true. Please don't tell falsehoods in HN. The US, EU, UK, and individual countries have all determined no genocide. Moreover, civilian deaths stop in Gaza the moment Hamas surrenders and returns the remaining hostages. Remember, the tech revolution started in the US so have some respect for my country's opinion on the issue. Israel is a large supplier of tech including computer chip design. The unfortunate truth is that the Palestinians in a fair election elected Hamas, a terrorist organization that seeks to destroy Israel.
  - kennywinker 1y ago
    > The US, EU, UK, and individual countries have all determined no genocide https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147976 https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147976 “Specifically, Israel has committed three acts of genocide with the requisite intent: causing seriously serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group, deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part, and imposing measures intended to prevent birth within the group,” That the political allies of israel defend it by denying an ongoing genocide is hardly evidence it’s not happening. > Moreover, civilian deaths stop in Gaza the moment Hamas surrenders and returns the remaining hostages. Patently false: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-netanyahu-rejects-hamas-conditions-hostage-deal-which-include-outright-2024-01-21/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-netanyahu-... Israel turned down a deal back in january 2024 that would have released all the hostages. If hostage taking is wrong - Israel held thousands of palestinians without charges prior to oct 7th. If hostages are the reason for the war, why has israeli bombing killed so many of the hostages? > The unfortunate truth is that the Palestinians in a fair election elected Hamas, a terrorist organization that seeks to destroy Israel. That, and oct 7th, are all events that happened long after the ethnic cleansing of palestine started. The policy of “Trimming the weeds” lead to an intensification of anti-israeli sentiment in gaza. But the election of which you speak was in 2006 - and hamas was elected. It’s been 19 years since an election in gaza. So anyone under 37 killed since oct 7th could not have voted for hamas. That’s most of them btw. Also, you do see that the tread you’re responding to is someone explicitly saying the only path to peace is complete genocide of either gazans or israelis? Pick your friends better maybe?

by ty6853 1y ago

kennywinker 1y ago

> Unwittingly, you are arguing the foundation of Israel is Nazi ideology. You don’t say?? A state that can only exist as the result of ethnic cleansing? A state that is currently committing numerous acts of genocide? Huhhh.

ty6853 1y ago
Lol so all that just to decide we agree with each other.
- kennywinker 1y ago
  We agree that the ideology you are spouting is similar to the ideas that underpin nazism, and justifies genocide in the name of peace. After that, we have nothing else we agree on, because your ideology is based on a false description of reality.
  - ty6853 1y ago
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    - kennywinker 1y ago
      You’ve created a false choice between endless war and peace thru genocide. Both have been enacted by israel. Pre-oct-7th “trimming the weeds” israel, and the post-oct-7th ethnic cleansing of gaza. The problem isn’t which option you chose - the problem is the framework of the choice is based on a lie and leads to evil actions either choice.
      - ty6853 1y ago
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davidf18 1y ago
Not true. Please don't tell falsehoods in HN. The US, EU, UK, and individual countries have all determined no genocide. Moreover, civilian deaths stop in Gaza the moment Hamas surrenders and returns the remaining hostages. Remember, the tech revolution started in the US so have some respect for my country's opinion on the issue. Israel is a large supplier of tech including computer chip design. The unfortunate truth is that the Palestinians in a fair election elected Hamas, a terrorist organization that seeks to destroy Israel.
- kennywinker 1y ago
  > The US, EU, UK, and individual countries have all determined no genocide https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147976 https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147976 “Specifically, Israel has committed three acts of genocide with the requisite intent: causing seriously serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group, deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part, and imposing measures intended to prevent birth within the group,” That the political allies of israel defend it by denying an ongoing genocide is hardly evidence it’s not happening. > Moreover, civilian deaths stop in Gaza the moment Hamas surrenders and returns the remaining hostages. Patently false: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-netanyahu-rejects-hamas-conditions-hostage-deal-which-include-outright-2024-01-21/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-netanyahu-... Israel turned down a deal back in january 2024 that would have released all the hostages. If hostage taking is wrong - Israel held thousands of palestinians without charges prior to oct 7th. If hostages are the reason for the war, why has israeli bombing killed so many of the hostages? > The unfortunate truth is that the Palestinians in a fair election elected Hamas, a terrorist organization that seeks to destroy Israel. That, and oct 7th, are all events that happened long after the ethnic cleansing of palestine started. The policy of “Trimming the weeds” lead to an intensification of anti-israeli sentiment in gaza. But the election of which you speak was in 2006 - and hamas was elected. It’s been 19 years since an election in gaza. So anyone under 37 killed since oct 7th could not have voted for hamas. That’s most of them btw. Also, you do see that the tread you’re responding to is someone explicitly saying the only path to peace is complete genocide of either gazans or israelis? Pick your friends better maybe?