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> where a certain group is inherently suspicious and have no rights what group? If you mean arabs, israeli arabs enjoy full citizenship rights. > zionist valu

> where a certain group is inherently suspicious and have no rights what group? If you mean arabs, israeli arabs enjoy full citizenship rights. > zionist values are "we are god's chosen", no holds barred "war on terror" with no due process, invoking religous amalek to commit genocide. That's some very specific claims. I challenge you to show any evidence for this. >Zionist values have been forced onto the west over the last 30 years as Israel tries to rope us into more middle eastern wars, but they don't derive from western enlightenment philosophy. ??? What?

kennywinker 1y ago
> what group? If you mean arabs, israeli arabs enjoy full citizenship rights. Disingenuous. The existence of arab israelis who enjoy some degree of equality within israel doesn’t refute the existence of an apartheid. A gazan can’t just decide they’re cool with israel and travel freely around the country they are occupied within.
- FridayoLeary 1y ago
  >who enjoy some degree of equality That's a malicious misrepresentation. They enjoy the same rights and protections as any other citizen according to the law. The rest of your comment is down to some hideously complicated political arrangements peace treaties etc where most arabs living in israel prefer their own state and citizenship. At the least it 's an extremely strange apartheid when 2 million arabs are not part of it. Also as far as i can tell there has been very limited israeli presence in Gaza between 2006-23. If you insist that your thread of logic is still correct you have to continue down that path and say that Egypt is also an apartheid state and they are occupying gaza as well.
  - kennywinker 1y ago
    Egypt doesn’t claim that gaza is part of egypt, while simultaneously denying that they aren’t occupying them. Also there has been plenty of violence in gaza in that time period. 6,407 palestinians and 308 israelis. On the palestinian side that’s about two 9/11s, or around six oct 7ths. Check the fatalities section of this article: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_... As for equality: “Many Arab citizens feel that the state, as well as society at large, not only actively limits them to second-class citizenship, but treats them as enemies” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel So while they may be equal in law, that doesn’t mean they have full equality. Hence my wording “some degree of equality”

kennywinker 1y ago

> what group? If you mean arabs, israeli arabs enjoy full citizenship rights. Disingenuous. The existence of arab israelis who enjoy some degree of equality within israel doesn’t refute the existence of an apartheid. A gazan can’t just decide they’re cool with israel and travel freely around the country they are occupied within.

FridayoLeary 1y ago
>who enjoy some degree of equality That's a malicious misrepresentation. They enjoy the same rights and protections as any other citizen according to the law. The rest of your comment is down to some hideously complicated political arrangements peace treaties etc where most arabs living in israel prefer their own state and citizenship. At the least it 's an extremely strange apartheid when 2 million arabs are not part of it. Also as far as i can tell there has been very limited israeli presence in Gaza between 2006-23. If you insist that your thread of logic is still correct you have to continue down that path and say that Egypt is also an apartheid state and they are occupying gaza as well.
- kennywinker 1y ago
  Egypt doesn’t claim that gaza is part of egypt, while simultaneously denying that they aren’t occupying them. Also there has been plenty of violence in gaza in that time period. 6,407 palestinians and 308 israelis. On the palestinian side that’s about two 9/11s, or around six oct 7ths. Check the fatalities section of this article: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_... As for equality: “Many Arab citizens feel that the state, as well as society at large, not only actively limits them to second-class citizenship, but treats them as enemies” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel So while they may be equal in law, that doesn’t mean they have full equality. Hence my wording “some degree of equality”