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I don't wish to kill off anyone, because I think individual rights trump peace. Based on the population over/under killing off all of Gaza seems to be the most

by ty6853 1y ago

I don't wish to kill off anyone, because I think individual rights trump peace. Based on the population over/under killing off all of Gaza seems to be the most peaceful solution. Israel would work but it has a bigger population, and only one side or the other would have to be eliminated to achieve gaza-israel peace in that conflict. Of course we don't have any real say in the matter. They're being starved to death as we speak, and once they all perish I don't think they'll be able to defend themselves or engage in hostilities.

kennywinker 1y ago
JFC this is a really intensely bad line of thinking. This is literally the kind of zero-sum win or lose kill or be killed thinking that lead to the holocaust. There are so so so many other possible way to achieve peace that don’t involve the death of millions. You very well might have applied this same logic to ireland during the troubles, and advocated for the extermination of all irish-Catholics or all irish-Protestants. Yet we have had 2-3 decades of peace now, and a resuming of violence seems unlikely. It seems stuck and peace impossible because that serves to reinforce the goals of those with power in this situation. There are solutions, they just involve a small minority with a disproportionate amount of influence (e.g. US oil companies, ideological christian imperialists, zionist absolutists) not getting their way.
- ty6853 1y ago
  If the Arabs had just wiped out the settlers establishing Der Judenstaat near the turn of the 20th century, I have a real hard time coming to a calculus where it wouldn't have been more peaceful death tally than where we are at now.
  - kennywinker 1y ago
    This assumes wrongly that the problem in the region is multiple ethnic / religious groups. That is literal nazi ideology.
    - ty6853 1y ago
      Ethnic/religious persecution amongst other ethnic/religious groups being the origin of Jewish strife is literally the ideology written by Herzl in the groundwork that argued for Israel, noting incompatibility with living amongst other ethnic groups in Europe, and I would note somewhat accurately considering the Nazis (and others) indeed went on an ethnically aligned campaign to kill them all off. Unwittingly, you are arguing the foundation of Israel is Nazi ideology.
      - kennywinker 1y ago
        > Unwittingly, you are arguing the foundation of Israel is Nazi ideology. You don’t say?? A state that can only exist as the result of ethnic cleansing? A state that is currently committing numerous acts of genocide? Huhhh.
        ty6853 1y ago
        Lol so all that just to decide we agree with each other.
        kennywinker 1y ago
        We agree that the ideology you are spouting is similar to the ideas that underpin nazism, and justifies genocide in the name of peace. After that, we have nothing else we agree on, because your ideology is based on a false description of reality.
        ty6853 1y ago
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        kennywinker 1y ago
        You’ve created a false choice between endless war and peace thru genocide. Both have been enacted by israel. Pre-oct-7th “trimming the weeds” israel, and the post-oct-7th ethnic cleansing of gaza. The problem isn’t which option you chose - the problem is the framework of the choice is based on a lie and leads to evil actions either choice.
  - davidf18 1y ago
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NickC25 1y ago
>Based on the population over/under killing off all of Gaza seems to be the most peaceful solution. That's some of the most degenerate, nihilistic, disgusting, inhumane rhetoric I've ever seen. Ethnic cleansing and genocide is "the most peaceful solution"? What the fuck? >once they all perish I don't think they'll be able to defend themselves or engage in hostilities. No shit they won't be able to engage or defend themselves - they'll be dead long before that.
- ty6853 1y ago
  I mean, this is why I am not an advocate for peace. Peace is often degenerate, nihilistic, genocidal, disgusting, inhumane.
  - NickC25 1y ago
    PEACE is? Nobody blowing eachother up is a bad thing?
    - ty6853 1y ago
      When you consider the only way to achieve that is to first kill off all humans or set them into the stone age, yes I would say so.
      - kennywinker 1y ago
        So when you adopt a false core premise? Cool.
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      - DSingularity 1y ago
        I’ve only seen these kinds of mental gymnastics from Zionists who are forced into this non-coherent blabber to distract from their inhumanity. You must destroy peace for nearly a century to have peace? But then we haven’t had peace for a hundred years genius. Keep pretending like your murder of children is the way towards peace. The rest of the world will just look at it with disgust.

by ty6853 1y ago

kennywinker 1y ago

JFC this is a really intensely bad line of thinking. This is literally the kind of zero-sum win or lose kill or be killed thinking that lead to the holocaust. There are so so so many other possible way to achieve peace that don’t involve the death of millions. You very well might have applied this same logic to ireland during the troubles, and advocated for the extermination of all irish-Catholics or all irish-Protestants. Yet we have had 2-3 decades of peace now, and a resuming of violence seems unlikely. It seems stuck and peace impossible because that serves to reinforce the goals of those with power in this situation. There are solutions, they just involve a small minority with a disproportionate amount of influence (e.g. US oil companies, ideological christian imperialists, zionist absolutists) not getting their way.

ty6853 1y ago
If the Arabs had just wiped out the settlers establishing Der Judenstaat near the turn of the 20th century, I have a real hard time coming to a calculus where it wouldn't have been more peaceful death tally than where we are at now.
- kennywinker 1y ago
  This assumes wrongly that the problem in the region is multiple ethnic / religious groups. That is literal nazi ideology.
  - ty6853 1y ago
    Ethnic/religious persecution amongst other ethnic/religious groups being the origin of Jewish strife is literally the ideology written by Herzl in the groundwork that argued for Israel, noting incompatibility with living amongst other ethnic groups in Europe, and I would note somewhat accurately considering the Nazis (and others) indeed went on an ethnically aligned campaign to kill them all off. Unwittingly, you are arguing the foundation of Israel is Nazi ideology.
    - kennywinker 1y ago
      > Unwittingly, you are arguing the foundation of Israel is Nazi ideology. You don’t say?? A state that can only exist as the result of ethnic cleansing? A state that is currently committing numerous acts of genocide? Huhhh.
      - ty6853 1y ago
        Lol so all that just to decide we agree with each other.
        kennywinker 1y ago
        We agree that the ideology you are spouting is similar to the ideas that underpin nazism, and justifies genocide in the name of peace. After that, we have nothing else we agree on, because your ideology is based on a false description of reality.
        ty6853 1y ago
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        kennywinker 1y ago
        You’ve created a false choice between endless war and peace thru genocide. Both have been enacted by israel. Pre-oct-7th “trimming the weeds” israel, and the post-oct-7th ethnic cleansing of gaza. The problem isn’t which option you chose - the problem is the framework of the choice is based on a lie and leads to evil actions either choice.
- davidf18 1y ago
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NickC25 1y ago

>Based on the population over/under killing off all of Gaza seems to be the most peaceful solution. That's some of the most degenerate, nihilistic, disgusting, inhumane rhetoric I've ever seen. Ethnic cleansing and genocide is "the most peaceful solution"? What the fuck? >once they all perish I don't think they'll be able to defend themselves or engage in hostilities. No shit they won't be able to engage or defend themselves - they'll be dead long before that.

ty6853 1y ago
I mean, this is why I am not an advocate for peace. Peace is often degenerate, nihilistic, genocidal, disgusting, inhumane.
- NickC25 1y ago
  PEACE is? Nobody blowing eachother up is a bad thing?
  - ty6853 1y ago
    When you consider the only way to achieve that is to first kill off all humans or set them into the stone age, yes I would say so.
    - kennywinker 1y ago
      So when you adopt a false core premise? Cool.
      - deleted 1y ago
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    - DSingularity 1y ago
      I’ve only seen these kinds of mental gymnastics from Zionists who are forced into this non-coherent blabber to distract from their inhumanity. You must destroy peace for nearly a century to have peace? But then we haven’t had peace for a hundred years genius. Keep pretending like your murder of children is the way towards peace. The rest of the world will just look at it with disgust.