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Why is it always foreign airlines that crash? The US flys significantly more than any country in the world and operates the most Boeing airplanes including the

Why is it always foreign airlines that crash? The US flys significantly more than any country in the world and operates the most Boeing airplanes including the 737 and 737 Max, yet there hasn't been a single major accident like this and the Max crashes in the US. Are these planes not maintained to the same standards, are the pilots not trained on these types of planes as much as in the US?

amiga386 1y ago
> there hasn't been a single major accident like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_191 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_191 > American Airlines Flight 191 crashed shortly after lifting off the runway at Chicago O'Hare Airport [...] The accident was attributed to improper maintenance procedures. The crash resulted in the deaths of all 271 passengers and crew on board, as well as two people on the ground. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_587 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_587 > American Airlines Flight 587 crashed in the Belle Harbor neighborhood of Queens, New York, just after departing John F. Kennedy International Airport bound for Las Américas International Airport, Santo Domingo. The first officer's overuse of the rudder in response to wake turbulence from a Japan Airlines 747 was cited as cause. All 260 people on board, as well as five people on the ground, died from the crash I'm going to downvote you now.
- decimalenough 1y ago
  The first was in 1979, back when planes crashed left and right everywhere. The second, in 2001, remains the last major accident in the US.
- impulser_ 1y ago
  I'm not talking about accidents from 40 and 20 years ago. I'm talking about the recent 737 accidents both this one and the previous Max crashes.
  - amiga386 1y ago
    What you're doing is running your mouth and implying there's some sort of magic that makes the USA -- probably the country you live in -- special. All other countries must obviously be inferior, incompetent, in comparison to the glorious USA. That's not how planes work, that's not how aviation safety is advanced. There have been hundreds of accidents and there's no value in cherry-picking specific timeframes (while not actually stating you were cherry-picking until challenged on it), nor specific categories of accident (fatal accidents with hull loss only). This is not the right way to view it: https://www.statista.com/statistics/262867/fatal-civil-airliner-accidents-since-1945-by-country-and-region/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/262867/fatal-civil-airli... THIS is the right way to view it: https://www.panish.law/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/PSBR-Aviation-Crash-Statistics-1-1.jpg https://www.panish.law/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/PSBR-Aviat... So is this: https://accidentstats.airbus.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/05.2_YearlyHullLossAccidentsRate-2025.png https://accidentstats.airbus.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/... And this (page 8): https://www.boeing.com/content/dam/boeing/boeingdotcom/company/about_bca/pdf/statsum.pdf https://www.boeing.com/content/dam/boeing/boeingdotcom/compa... (and if you want to apportion geographic blame - for Boeing airframes only - check out pages 17-24) When there are accidents, the right thing to do is to analyse how it happened, come up with findings that might reduce the likelyhood of it happening again, or eliminate it, and push all people in aviation to adopt those findings - whether it be manufacturer, ATC, airline, or pilot, and regardless of country.
bravesoul2 1y ago
You are comparing the US pop 350m (?) to rest of the world pop 8850m. Sure planes per capita are higher in US but it's an unfair comparison. Not to say there isn't something there to dive into with data and some countries are safer than others to fly. And definitely some airlines than others.
- impulser_ 1y ago
  Yeah, but the US puts significantly more miles on these planes and yet not a single accident has happened. So it's not the plane, unless these foreign airlines are getting the defunct planes. It has to be either poor maintenance or poor pilot training.
  - bravesoul2 1y ago
    Definitely maintenance, pilot training, language, airport feature, topography and climate will factor in. Id rather look at it in the lens of "is this flight I am booking safe enough" over "US is safer than Non-US"
ragazzina 1y ago
>Why is it always foreign airlines that crash? And why is it always Boeing planes?
- impulser_ 1y ago
  I'm not sure, my guess is maybe foreign pilots are less fimilar with Boeing planes. The reason for the Max crashes from the past was due to the pilots not getting enough training on the new plane and made assumptions about it based on the previous generation plane. It wasn't the actual plane that was bad it was Boeing training wasn't good enough for pilots to understand the changes they made.
  - account42 1y ago
    Pilots didn't get new training because Boeing (tried to) design it not to need new training.
  - ab5tract 1y ago
    There is a grain of truth but your position is inaccurate. Boeing split off important software systems on the 737 MAx into paid upgrades. That’s not a training issue.
delta_p_delta_x 1y ago
> Why is it always foreign airlines that crash? I suppose US Airways 1549 wasn't American, then. I wonder what the 'US' in the name was for, then. If the bird strike had happened earlier in the flight where the plane would've had less altitude and speed, a very similar result to AI171 could've happened. Or more recently, I suppose DCA isn't in the US either, and PSA Airlines isn't American. This comment is subliminal racism disguised as thoughtful 'are these pilots not maintained to the same standards, are the pilots not trained on these types of planes', when the corrupt cesspool that is the US somehow churned out the disaster of an aeroplane system that was MCAS. What a bell-end of a commenter.

amiga386 1y ago

> there hasn't been a single major accident like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_191 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_191 > American Airlines Flight 191 crashed shortly after lifting off the runway at Chicago O'Hare Airport [...] The accident was attributed to improper maintenance procedures. The crash resulted in the deaths of all 271 passengers and crew on board, as well as two people on the ground. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_587 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_587 > American Airlines Flight 587 crashed in the Belle Harbor neighborhood of Queens, New York, just after departing John F. Kennedy International Airport bound for Las Américas International Airport, Santo Domingo. The first officer's overuse of the rudder in response to wake turbulence from a Japan Airlines 747 was cited as cause. All 260 people on board, as well as five people on the ground, died from the crash I'm going to downvote you now.

decimalenough 1y ago
The first was in 1979, back when planes crashed left and right everywhere. The second, in 2001, remains the last major accident in the US.
impulser_ 1y ago
I'm not talking about accidents from 40 and 20 years ago. I'm talking about the recent 737 accidents both this one and the previous Max crashes.
- amiga386 1y ago
  What you're doing is running your mouth and implying there's some sort of magic that makes the USA -- probably the country you live in -- special. All other countries must obviously be inferior, incompetent, in comparison to the glorious USA. That's not how planes work, that's not how aviation safety is advanced. There have been hundreds of accidents and there's no value in cherry-picking specific timeframes (while not actually stating you were cherry-picking until challenged on it), nor specific categories of accident (fatal accidents with hull loss only). This is not the right way to view it: https://www.statista.com/statistics/262867/fatal-civil-airliner-accidents-since-1945-by-country-and-region/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/262867/fatal-civil-airli... THIS is the right way to view it: https://www.panish.law/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/PSBR-Aviation-Crash-Statistics-1-1.jpg https://www.panish.law/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/PSBR-Aviat... So is this: https://accidentstats.airbus.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/05.2_YearlyHullLossAccidentsRate-2025.png https://accidentstats.airbus.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/... And this (page 8): https://www.boeing.com/content/dam/boeing/boeingdotcom/company/about_bca/pdf/statsum.pdf https://www.boeing.com/content/dam/boeing/boeingdotcom/compa... (and if you want to apportion geographic blame - for Boeing airframes only - check out pages 17-24) When there are accidents, the right thing to do is to analyse how it happened, come up with findings that might reduce the likelyhood of it happening again, or eliminate it, and push all people in aviation to adopt those findings - whether it be manufacturer, ATC, airline, or pilot, and regardless of country.

bravesoul2 1y ago

You are comparing the US pop 350m (?) to rest of the world pop 8850m. Sure planes per capita are higher in US but it's an unfair comparison. Not to say there isn't something there to dive into with data and some countries are safer than others to fly. And definitely some airlines than others.

impulser_ 1y ago
Yeah, but the US puts significantly more miles on these planes and yet not a single accident has happened. So it's not the plane, unless these foreign airlines are getting the defunct planes. It has to be either poor maintenance or poor pilot training.
- bravesoul2 1y ago
  Definitely maintenance, pilot training, language, airport feature, topography and climate will factor in. Id rather look at it in the lens of "is this flight I am booking safe enough" over "US is safer than Non-US"

ragazzina 1y ago

>Why is it always foreign airlines that crash? And why is it always Boeing planes?

impulser_ 1y ago
I'm not sure, my guess is maybe foreign pilots are less fimilar with Boeing planes. The reason for the Max crashes from the past was due to the pilots not getting enough training on the new plane and made assumptions about it based on the previous generation plane. It wasn't the actual plane that was bad it was Boeing training wasn't good enough for pilots to understand the changes they made.
- account42 1y ago
  Pilots didn't get new training because Boeing (tried to) design it not to need new training.
- ab5tract 1y ago
  There is a grain of truth but your position is inaccurate. Boeing split off important software systems on the 737 MAx into paid upgrades. That’s not a training issue.

delta_p_delta_x 1y ago

> Why is it always foreign airlines that crash? I suppose US Airways 1549 wasn't American, then. I wonder what the 'US' in the name was for, then. If the bird strike had happened earlier in the flight where the plane would've had less altitude and speed, a very similar result to AI171 could've happened. Or more recently, I suppose DCA isn't in the US either, and PSA Airlines isn't American. This comment is subliminal racism disguised as thoughtful 'are these pilots not maintained to the same standards, are the pilots not trained on these types of planes', when the corrupt cesspool that is the US somehow churned out the disaster of an aeroplane system that was MCAS. What a bell-end of a commenter.