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Sorry how is SpaceX unreliable? I personally think we need at least a second reliable launch provider, probably rocket lab, just for redundancy.

superconduct123 1y ago
https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/elon-musk-threatened-decommission-dragon-spacecraft-nasa/story?id=122568163 https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/elon-musk-threatened-decom...
- Whoppertime 1y ago
  https://www.npr.org/2024/08/24/nx-s1-5087892/nasa-starliner-astronaut-return-iss-spacex https://www.npr.org/2024/08/24/nx-s1-5087892/nasa-starliner-...
  - trust_bt_verify 1y ago
    So private contractors are unreliable for a variety of reasons? We should get all of this private bloat out of the government.
    - rockemsockem 1y ago
      What are things the government has actually built themselves without private contracts?
      - trust_bt_verify 1y ago
        What are some private contracts which do not contain the bloat of private profit?
        rockemsockem 1y ago
        Government employees profit from work they do too. There is no enterprise that people should engage in that does not provide profit to them personally. What are you saying?
        trust_bt_verify 1y ago
        That’s an odd take, I never said people should not be paid a living wage for their contributions to the country. However, when was the last time the government authorized a multibillion dollar pay package for a single worker? The government doesn’t have stock buy backs, they don’t have dividends to pay out. That is where private business greed comes in and has no place in public government work. That kind bloat is what I am highlighting in private business.
        rockemsockem 1y ago
        Afaik Tesla is not a government contractor, so your compensation comment is moot. Where we see waste in government is in big, entrenched, dinosaurs where competition is very difficult and/or limited. What we need is a little more free market capitalism in those areas. Greed is not the driver of waste imo, incompetence is a far bigger contributor. If you'd like to make tangible arguments instead of vaguely ranting against capitalism then I'm all ears. Edit: also the multi-billion dollar compensation package was in stock, so it didn't actually waste any money Edit 2: by the way you're still dodging my original legitimate question about what the government has ever actually built without private contractors. There are real answers to that question and if you are such a big proponent of the government building things themselves maybe you should know something about them.
        trust_bt_verify 1y ago
        Two edits and you hand waved away the point about CEO compensation? oof. Governments and private businesses have the same problems since they are both made up of imperfect humans. The government has the great oversight mechanism that private businesses don’t which is called voting, which is why I think it takes the cake here. I never said that the government should never use private contractors (always need janitorial services), but when tax dollars are being used to fund technology and research, the government should never cede ownership of those outputs to private business.
- rockemsockem 1y ago
  So a flame war on X. Idk, call me crazy but I saw that post and never believed it would actually happen. Call me when something of that magnitude does.
moralestapia 1y ago
Because of Musk's mood swings.
- rockemsockem 1y ago
  What material impact has that had on SpaceX operations? No tweets as sources.
bumby 1y ago
I think the OP was alluding to unreliability in the CEOs mental state, but I’ll add another aspect: they are sometimes skirting well-established norms. An example is not performing material quality checks on critical parts. This is standard practice in the domain, yet they choose not to and it resulted in a loss of a rocket and its payload. They later added those quality checks to their process. SpaceX is good, but there’s no need for repeating well worn industry mistakes just because you fancy yourself as “different”

superconduct123 1y ago

https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/elon-musk-threatened-decommission-dragon-spacecraft-nasa/story?id=122568163 https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/elon-musk-threatened-decom...

Whoppertime 1y ago
https://www.npr.org/2024/08/24/nx-s1-5087892/nasa-starliner-astronaut-return-iss-spacex https://www.npr.org/2024/08/24/nx-s1-5087892/nasa-starliner-...
- trust_bt_verify 1y ago
  So private contractors are unreliable for a variety of reasons? We should get all of this private bloat out of the government.
  - rockemsockem 1y ago
    What are things the government has actually built themselves without private contracts?
    - trust_bt_verify 1y ago
      What are some private contracts which do not contain the bloat of private profit?
      - rockemsockem 1y ago
        Government employees profit from work they do too. There is no enterprise that people should engage in that does not provide profit to them personally. What are you saying?
        trust_bt_verify 1y ago
        That’s an odd take, I never said people should not be paid a living wage for their contributions to the country. However, when was the last time the government authorized a multibillion dollar pay package for a single worker? The government doesn’t have stock buy backs, they don’t have dividends to pay out. That is where private business greed comes in and has no place in public government work. That kind bloat is what I am highlighting in private business.
        rockemsockem 1y ago
        Afaik Tesla is not a government contractor, so your compensation comment is moot. Where we see waste in government is in big, entrenched, dinosaurs where competition is very difficult and/or limited. What we need is a little more free market capitalism in those areas. Greed is not the driver of waste imo, incompetence is a far bigger contributor. If you'd like to make tangible arguments instead of vaguely ranting against capitalism then I'm all ears. Edit: also the multi-billion dollar compensation package was in stock, so it didn't actually waste any money Edit 2: by the way you're still dodging my original legitimate question about what the government has ever actually built without private contractors. There are real answers to that question and if you are such a big proponent of the government building things themselves maybe you should know something about them.
        trust_bt_verify 1y ago
        Two edits and you hand waved away the point about CEO compensation? oof. Governments and private businesses have the same problems since they are both made up of imperfect humans. The government has the great oversight mechanism that private businesses don’t which is called voting, which is why I think it takes the cake here. I never said that the government should never use private contractors (always need janitorial services), but when tax dollars are being used to fund technology and research, the government should never cede ownership of those outputs to private business.
rockemsockem 1y ago
So a flame war on X. Idk, call me crazy but I saw that post and never believed it would actually happen. Call me when something of that magnitude does.

moralestapia 1y ago

Because of Musk's mood swings.

rockemsockem 1y ago
What material impact has that had on SpaceX operations? No tweets as sources.

bumby 1y ago

I think the OP was alluding to unreliability in the CEOs mental state, but I’ll add another aspect: they are sometimes skirting well-established norms. An example is not performing material quality checks on critical parts. This is standard practice in the domain, yet they choose not to and it resulted in a loss of a rocket and its payload. They later added those quality checks to their process. SpaceX is good, but there’s no need for repeating well worn industry mistakes just because you fancy yourself as “different”