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What are the symptoms of this "unprecedented crisis" and what makes it a crisis?

marcusverus 1y ago
Chicago spent $300 Million on freebies for migrants.[0] The mayor of NYC saying that the migrant crisis "will destroy New York City".[1] 1/3 of polled schools said that the influx of ESL migrant children had had a "significant" impact on their school districts, taking resources and attention away from American schoolkids.[2] 77% of Americans considered the border situation to be either a "Crisis" or a "Major Problem"[3] [0] https://apnews.com/article/chicago-migrants-black-latino-biden-immigration-ab8d7f22eea423d86fb350665b9e66f6 https://apnews.com/article/chicago-migrants-black-latino-bid... [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/07/nyregion/adams-migrants-destroy-nyc.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/07/nyregion/adams-migrants-d... [2] https://www.reuters.com/investigations/an-american-education-classrooms-reshaped-by-record-migrant-arrivals-2024-10-05/ https://www.reuters.com/investigations/an-american-education... [4] https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/02/15/how-americans-view-the-situation-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-its-causes-and-consequences/ https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/02/15/how-american...
- angrysaki 1y ago
  So apart from some 300 million number, it's just all vibes? Here I was expecting data about how all these illegal immigrants are causing crimes everywhere at higher rates than americans, or how many cats and dogs they've eaten but I guess there's no actual evidence of a crisis.
  - marcusverus 1y ago
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    - angrysaki 1y ago
      Before I put my fedora back on and leave, could you answer this question: Do you truly think the evidence you provided would convince someone ignorant on the matter that there really was a migrant crisis that warrants the Trump administration's behavior?
      - marcusverus 1y ago
        > Do you truly think the evidence you provided would convince someone ignorant on the matter that there really was a migrant crisis that warrants the Trump administration's behavior? I do! The term 'crisis' has been politicized to the point where the term's applicability is basically a shibboleth. When Biden called it a crisis in 2021, the White House issued a statement saying "The President’s use of the “crisis” label doesn’t represent the administration’s official position".[0] The administration had an official position on the use of the term 'crisis'! Point being, it's hard to convince someone that the border situation is a "crisis" when their priors on the topic have been prejudiced by political messaging. If someone was new to the topic, it would be easier for them to be objective. You and I have already been inundated with political messaging, though. The best way to simulate ignorance on the matter is to abstract away the politics and pose the question in a way that doesn't trigger a connection to politics: "The year is 2034. A situation has arisen. To deal with the situation, the city of Chicago alone has spent $300 dollars. The mayor of New York City has stated that the issue "could destroy the city of New York". 30% of schools say the issue affects their ability to educate our children. 77% of Americans say the situation is either a "crisis" or a "major issue". Would someone ignorant of the matter be more justified in assuming that this was reflective of a crisis, or mere "vibes"? > Before I put my fedora back on and leave I honestly loled. [0]https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/19/politics/biden-border-crisis-unaccompanied-minors https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/19/politics/biden-border-crisis-...

Chicago spent $300 Million on freebies for migrants.[0] The mayor of NYC saying that the migrant crisis "will destroy New York City".[1] 1/3 of polled schools said that the influx of ESL migrant children had had a "significant" impact on their school districts, taking resources and attention away from American schoolkids.[2] 77% of Americans considered the border situation to be either a "Crisis" or a "Major Problem"[3] [0] https://apnews.com/article/chicago-migrants-black-latino-biden-immigration-ab8d7f22eea423d86fb350665b9e66f6 https://apnews.com/article/chicago-migrants-black-latino-bid... [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/07/nyregion/adams-migrants-destroy-nyc.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/07/nyregion/adams-migrants-d... [2] https://www.reuters.com/investigations/an-american-education-classrooms-reshaped-by-record-migrant-arrivals-2024-10-05/ https://www.reuters.com/investigations/an-american-education... [4] https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/02/15/how-americans-view-the-situation-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-its-causes-and-consequences/ https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/02/15/how-american...

angrysaki 1y ago
So apart from some 300 million number, it's just all vibes? Here I was expecting data about how all these illegal immigrants are causing crimes everywhere at higher rates than americans, or how many cats and dogs they've eaten but I guess there's no actual evidence of a crisis.
- marcusverus 1y ago
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  - angrysaki 1y ago
    Before I put my fedora back on and leave, could you answer this question: Do you truly think the evidence you provided would convince someone ignorant on the matter that there really was a migrant crisis that warrants the Trump administration's behavior?
    - marcusverus 1y ago
      > Do you truly think the evidence you provided would convince someone ignorant on the matter that there really was a migrant crisis that warrants the Trump administration's behavior? I do! The term 'crisis' has been politicized to the point where the term's applicability is basically a shibboleth. When Biden called it a crisis in 2021, the White House issued a statement saying "The President’s use of the “crisis” label doesn’t represent the administration’s official position".[0] The administration had an official position on the use of the term 'crisis'! Point being, it's hard to convince someone that the border situation is a "crisis" when their priors on the topic have been prejudiced by political messaging. If someone was new to the topic, it would be easier for them to be objective. You and I have already been inundated with political messaging, though. The best way to simulate ignorance on the matter is to abstract away the politics and pose the question in a way that doesn't trigger a connection to politics: "The year is 2034. A situation has arisen. To deal with the situation, the city of Chicago alone has spent $300 dollars. The mayor of New York City has stated that the issue "could destroy the city of New York". 30% of schools say the issue affects their ability to educate our children. 77% of Americans say the situation is either a "crisis" or a "major issue". Would someone ignorant of the matter be more justified in assuming that this was reflective of a crisis, or mere "vibes"? > Before I put my fedora back on and leave I honestly loled. [0]https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/19/politics/biden-border-crisis-unaccompanied-minors https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/19/politics/biden-border-crisis-...