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It's not even remotely helpful to keep parroting "this is what Americans wanted." Not only do Trump voters not represent a majority of Americans, the media land

It's not even remotely helpful to keep parroting "this is what Americans wanted." Not only do Trump voters not represent a majority of Americans, the media landscape is so fractured that many people did not know what they were voting for and just wanted cheaper groceries. Is that stupid and naive? Yes. But it's also stupid and naive to generalize and say "Americans want this."

Eisenstein 1y ago
I think what they are saying is 'actions have consequences'.
- punpunia 1y ago
  Okay great, that is utterly vacuous. Now what?
  - Braxton1980 1y ago
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bruce511 1y ago
I respect your opinion, but I disagree with it. Yes, just under half the voters will say they didn't vote for him. But more people did, and that's how democracy works. After the vote it's easy for people to blame the media, or to claim that he's doing things they didn't vote for. It's easy to just say "I'm not responsible for this". But democracy means the people vote. The winner is the ones with the most votes. If you voted wrong, that's on you, and you need to understand that, and acknowledge it. Only by taking responsibility can you understand the power you wield, and maybe wield it more carefully in the future. And no, none of the things he's found are a surprise. His character is no secret. His approach to politics is no secret. His policies are no secret. His willingness to grift is no secret. A plurality of those who voted chose him. Those that didn't vote decided he deserved half their vote. In truth I don't think it's stupid to say "Americans want this". Moderate Republicans are scared of being primaried. They know what their constituents want. I don't think all Americans want this. But I think a lot of them do. No one is predicting a Blue senate in 2 years. Those red seats are safe. Because deep down a big chunk of America is happy with this. This is the very essence of democracy. A govt of the people, voted by the people. Look at the govt. It's a mirror of the people who got them there, and keep them there. I get this is frustrating if you are a minority voter. Minorities get stomped on by majorities- that's the very core of democracy. So forgive me, but at least for 2 years we need to keep saying it - you voted for this. Because until lots of voters figure out just how responsible they are, they're not going to change. If you voted for this, take some responsibility. Edit: I see you're getting down voted. I disagree either that too. Your point is coherent and a common part of this conversation. Voting here is about conversation, not agreement.
Braxton1980 1y ago
> just wanted cheaper groceries. 1. And why would voting for Trump get that? 2. It didn't happen either way 3. Stupidity is not an acceptable excuse 4. You vote for a person not a specific policy
- monetus 1y ago
  > You vote for a person not a specific policy You're not wrong as general rule of thumb imo, or in a straight sense of reality, but tell that to the evangelicals who spend their time slandering abortion.
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Eisenstein 1y ago

I think what they are saying is 'actions have consequences'.

punpunia 1y ago
Okay great, that is utterly vacuous. Now what?
- Braxton1980 1y ago
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bruce511 1y ago

I respect your opinion, but I disagree with it. Yes, just under half the voters will say they didn't vote for him. But more people did, and that's how democracy works. After the vote it's easy for people to blame the media, or to claim that he's doing things they didn't vote for. It's easy to just say "I'm not responsible for this". But democracy means the people vote. The winner is the ones with the most votes. If you voted wrong, that's on you, and you need to understand that, and acknowledge it. Only by taking responsibility can you understand the power you wield, and maybe wield it more carefully in the future. And no, none of the things he's found are a surprise. His character is no secret. His approach to politics is no secret. His policies are no secret. His willingness to grift is no secret. A plurality of those who voted chose him. Those that didn't vote decided he deserved half their vote. In truth I don't think it's stupid to say "Americans want this". Moderate Republicans are scared of being primaried. They know what their constituents want. I don't think all Americans want this. But I think a lot of them do. No one is predicting a Blue senate in 2 years. Those red seats are safe. Because deep down a big chunk of America is happy with this. This is the very essence of democracy. A govt of the people, voted by the people. Look at the govt. It's a mirror of the people who got them there, and keep them there. I get this is frustrating if you are a minority voter. Minorities get stomped on by majorities- that's the very core of democracy. So forgive me, but at least for 2 years we need to keep saying it - you voted for this. Because until lots of voters figure out just how responsible they are, they're not going to change. If you voted for this, take some responsibility. Edit: I see you're getting down voted. I disagree either that too. Your point is coherent and a common part of this conversation. Voting here is about conversation, not agreement.

Braxton1980 1y ago

> just wanted cheaper groceries. 1. And why would voting for Trump get that? 2. It didn't happen either way 3. Stupidity is not an acceptable excuse 4. You vote for a person not a specific policy

monetus 1y ago
> You vote for a person not a specific policy You're not wrong as general rule of thumb imo, or in a straight sense of reality, but tell that to the evangelicals who spend their time slandering abortion.
- Braxton1980 1y ago
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