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this point of view is so utterly lacking self-critical thought about "extreme social views, we demand you accept it or you are haters" .. its just a thought-blo

this point of view is so utterly lacking self-critical thought about "extreme social views, we demand you accept it or you are haters" .. its just a thought-blocker and dead-end. Endless polarization.

hedora 1y ago
Recent polls of Trump supporter show that they expect Trump’s policies to hurt them personally, but they support the policies anyway because they think they will hurt liberals more. It is difficult to reconcile that viewpoint with any path to a functioning democracy.
- Whoppertime 1y ago
  At least with tariffs you can understand there will be short term economic pain for presumed long term economic gain Polling of Biden voters seem to suggest they didn't expect the 20% inflation that happened between Biden entering office and Biden leaving office. They didn't think it would hurt Republicans more, they just had experts denying that anything was happening, like the head of the Fed saying inflation was transitory. That situation impedes on the function of democracy in a different way
  - hedora 1y ago
    As a Biden voter, I definitely expected inflation. Trump’s economic policies in the first term were incredibly inflationary, even before covid. NPR was routinely sounding the alarm back in 2017-18. Inflation typically runs on a ~3-5 year delay vs executive policies. The crazy thing with the tariffs is that they’re killing investment in domestic production in the US. Check out this graph of private money going to building factories: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/C307RC1Q027SBEA https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/C307RC1Q027SBEA Any manufacturing job gains over the next few years will clearly be due to Biden’s efforts. (Note that factory construction spending is somehow down slightly for 2025: the deceleration of the investment trend is unprecedented.)
pstuart 1y ago
I've no shortage of self-critical thought, and your quote is perplexing because you seem to have inserted some preconception into your reading of my comment. The topic is extremely polarizing by design, and is impossible to discuss without heated emotions, and therefore is never properly explored. I have no political party allegiance (partisan politics is a toxic waste dump); I try to work from "first principles", and am more than happy to adjust my understandings when compelling evidence is presented. To circle back to the OP: these program cuts are being made in the name of efficiency, but they're curiously only applied to programs that the admin is ideologically opposed to and applied in a manner meant to kill rather than trim. I find it interesting that the Military Industrial Complex -- a paragon of pork, fraud, and waste -- will not only be untouched but given even more money then before.
padjo 1y ago
Owning the libs is a thing. Owning the conservatives is not a thing.
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hedora 1y ago

Recent polls of Trump supporter show that they expect Trump’s policies to hurt them personally, but they support the policies anyway because they think they will hurt liberals more. It is difficult to reconcile that viewpoint with any path to a functioning democracy.

Whoppertime 1y ago
At least with tariffs you can understand there will be short term economic pain for presumed long term economic gain Polling of Biden voters seem to suggest they didn't expect the 20% inflation that happened between Biden entering office and Biden leaving office. They didn't think it would hurt Republicans more, they just had experts denying that anything was happening, like the head of the Fed saying inflation was transitory. That situation impedes on the function of democracy in a different way
- hedora 1y ago
  As a Biden voter, I definitely expected inflation. Trump’s economic policies in the first term were incredibly inflationary, even before covid. NPR was routinely sounding the alarm back in 2017-18. Inflation typically runs on a ~3-5 year delay vs executive policies. The crazy thing with the tariffs is that they’re killing investment in domestic production in the US. Check out this graph of private money going to building factories: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/C307RC1Q027SBEA https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/C307RC1Q027SBEA Any manufacturing job gains over the next few years will clearly be due to Biden’s efforts. (Note that factory construction spending is somehow down slightly for 2025: the deceleration of the investment trend is unprecedented.)

pstuart 1y ago

I've no shortage of self-critical thought, and your quote is perplexing because you seem to have inserted some preconception into your reading of my comment. The topic is extremely polarizing by design, and is impossible to discuss without heated emotions, and therefore is never properly explored. I have no political party allegiance (partisan politics is a toxic waste dump); I try to work from "first principles", and am more than happy to adjust my understandings when compelling evidence is presented. To circle back to the OP: these program cuts are being made in the name of efficiency, but they're curiously only applied to programs that the admin is ideologically opposed to and applied in a manner meant to kill rather than trim. I find it interesting that the Military Industrial Complex -- a paragon of pork, fraud, and waste -- will not only be untouched but given even more money then before.

padjo 1y ago

Owning the libs is a thing. Owning the conservatives is not a thing.

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